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pocketnavy
.375 Holland & Holland Magnum
Joined: 12 June 2003
Location: Antarctica
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Points: 612
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Posted: 15 July 2003 at 03:10 |
Damn . . . this thread has gone to "hell-in-a-handbasket!" Close it down Tash . . . before we start shooting! Besides, it takes an age to load now. I almost forgot the original premise. Oh yeah . . . something about "Western" rifles . . . man did we get away from that quick! Have decided, after talking to Korey, that I want a 7mm STW with a Sightron scope. Yep . . . that makes more sense than a Weatherby . . . 
Relax Jeff . . . no one is trying to make anyone mad . . . we have been taking "pot-shots" at each other for years. I think most of us really like you because, even at your age, you have a lot of stated experience and a "hide" thick enough to roll with the punches. Sometimes I get pissed at the hookum, and go on a sabbatical, but I usually get spammed with some e-mails and I end up getting back on. These forums, BSB and Shooters, are a wealth of info . . . a wealth of BS too, but you can fight your way through that. There are a few, a very few, "jerks" also. They are hard to ignore . . . and I usually get suckered into trading barbs with them. It is stupid for me to do that. So . . . I TRY to ignore the one or two morons . . . wookies. By the way, I am the one who started using that term, some years ago, on Shooters. I used to mean it in a generic sense . . . now it has narrowed down to one or two persons . . . and they are qualified for moron status beyond all belief.
I am teasing you about the Rugers . . . NOT to make you mad . . . just for fun. Just think how we would pick on you if you had a Savage . . . or a Weatherby! I think the Rugers are excellent rifles, in spite of a lot of criticism by many people . . . especially on Shooters. We have had a constant flow of trigger complaints, accuracy complaints, warranty complaints . . . you name it . . . but that has happened with just about every company except for Leupold . . . near as I remember. I would LOVE to have a Model 77 in 7x57mm. It may be a short-coming on my part, but I think that cartridge is just neat.
Get to loaf today . . . so I have to break my butt doing yard-work! No classes until evening on Tuesday and Thursday. Day classes AND night class on Monday and Wednesday.
Have a good day!
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NH_Hunter
.416 Rigby
aka The Kid
Joined: 13 June 2003
Location: United States
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Points: 3508
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Posted: 15 July 2003 at 05:27 |
Guess i just havent been feeling like myself lately. Maybe it is going to school again. But anywayz, apology accepted, once again Me...Own a Savage BWAHAHAHAHAHA 
NH_Hunter
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Leverguns make me smile
Proud Left Handed Shooter
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North Logan
.416 Rigby
aka The Legendary Lawman
Joined: 10 June 2003
Location: Canada
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Points: 1728
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Posted: 15 July 2003 at 06:37 |
Hey NH-Hunter - I've owned Rugers and I like 'em! Currently only have one 77 left, an ole tangsafety in 7 x 57mm. Anyway, don't laugh too hard about Savages. Maybe they don't cost as much as other bolt rifles and can tend to be a bit plain and less "romantic" than say a pre-'64 Model 70, but they SHOOT! And they have a bit of a cult following!
Regards, Marcus.

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klallen
.416 Rigby
** The RockChucker **
Joined: 10 June 2003
Location: United States
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Points: 2331
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Posted: 15 July 2003 at 09:52 |
I don't know, NH. I got 4 different Ruger firearms and love each. BUT (isn't there always a but ), Savage is right there in appeal to me. I've got 2 of them and will undoubtedly be getting more, over the years. They flat out perform. And not perty????? Come on. These little honey's aren't that hard on the eyes, are they?


I know their groups aren't . Take care. >> klallen
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North Logan
.416 Rigby
aka The Legendary Lawman
Joined: 10 June 2003
Location: Canada
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Points: 1728
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Posted: 15 July 2003 at 10:45 |
Geez Korey - You certainly are making me eat my words about Savages being a bit plain! Nice looking rifles!
Marcus.

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klallen
.416 Rigby
** The RockChucker **
Joined: 10 June 2003
Location: United States
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Points: 2331
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Posted: 15 July 2003 at 11:05 |
Howdy Marcus >> Thanks. Must have survived your weekend of baby-setting the superstars in fine fashion, huh?
Post above was directed to our young NH. I'd sure hate for his "elitiest" (sp) attitude to keep him away from some extremely nice shooting rifles. Especially when he talks about being on a budget and such. I can think of no better make of rifle for a fella who's trying to stretch the dollar than a Savage. You're "plain jane" and "less romantic" comments towards Savage are spot on. In general, they're a rifle that shoots far better then they have any business shooting. That's what draws me to them.
Plus you can doll the little buggers up nicely, if you so desire. I love the way the 12FV turned out. Take it easy. >> korey
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pocketnavy
.375 Holland & Holland Magnum
Joined: 12 June 2003
Location: Antarctica
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Points: 612
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Posted: 15 July 2003 at 11:16 |
Yeah but . . . c'mon Korey . . . the bolt handle is in the wrong place . . . looks like it is falling off the back . . . and what is that "nut" around the barrel? Aah . . . the traditional Savage complaints. Mostly hookum. Savage is a fine shooter! Wonder if they ever thought about "up-grading" some of those complaints? I guess you would have to redesign it. Better not mess with it . . . it shoots.
Although, they sure went for a better trigger assembly. Sounds like they listen
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NH_Hunter
.416 Rigby
aka The Kid
Joined: 13 June 2003
Location: United States
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Points: 3508
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Posted: 15 July 2003 at 14:37 |
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Leverguns make me smile
Proud Left Handed Shooter
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D.F.C.
.30/06 SpringField
Joined: 10 June 2003
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 499
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Posted: 16 July 2003 at 01:50 |
I'm reposting this because I hate to let it die as it was such an issue with a couple of posters on this site. It has to be one of two things, either no one called them or they called them and didn't like what they had to say about the 200,000#. As I always said put up or shut up, looks like they have shut up. But then I knew they would.
"Weatherby made the claim and I'm calling them on it. Here's their telephone number 805-466-1767, Knock yourself out proving me wrong!
I just got off the phone with them, 2 of them and they have no test sheets or proof of any kind and tell me to contact their marketing department. LOL,LOL. ROFLMAO,LOL There is a fool born every second of every day."
Dan
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pocketnavy
.375 Holland & Holland Magnum
Joined: 12 June 2003
Location: Antarctica
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Points: 612
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Posted: 16 July 2003 at 05:55 |
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No issue with me . . . I just mentioned it to point out how strong the Mark V is. Whether 200,000 angels on the head of a pin. 200,000 Barnes copper bullets [BCB?], or CUP [200,000D] . . . WOW? . . . it is all theoretical anyway. I doubt if anyone besides Roy knows what happened . . . doubt if Ed knows. You probably won't get an answer. I haven't even tried! But . . . it would be interesting to get a clarification. I might send them a letter . . . for a bribe . . . dinner at the Outback?
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TasunkaWitko
Administrator
aka The Gipper
Joined: 10 June 2003
Location: Chinook Montana
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Points: 14753
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Posted: 16 July 2003 at 11:29 |
i must have missed a post or something. what was the final verdict?
did they explain where the 200,000# BS came from? or did they just refer you to marketing and leave it at that? if so, what did marketing have to say?
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TasunkaWitko - Chinook, Montana  Helfen, Wehren, Heilen Die Wahrheit wird euch frei machen
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D.F.C.
.30/06 SpringField
Joined: 10 June 2003
Location: United States
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Points: 499
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Posted: 16 July 2003 at 14:01 |
I called Weatherby at the telephone number I posted. I first talked to a rather nice gentleman in the tech department, who said clearly he thought it should be removed from the Weatherby Internet site. After me continuly asking him what he knew about the action testing procedures he finally transferred me to another gentleman who had been with the firm for 30 years. He insisted he know who I was and why I wanted to know before he would even talk to me, so I told him. He said he didn't know of any tests at all actually run on the actions, even when they changed manufacturers. The theory is if the metal and the heat treating remain consistent the actions are safe to make a rifle with. Furthermore, he thought the 200,000# was not CUP but the strength of the steel they were using to make the action. The highest cup in current testing is 70,000 CUP or 84,000 PSI and is done with a proof load of 130% of the maximum SAAMI pressure for that cartridge. He also told me he was a gun crank and loved to shoot and has hunted all over the world. I asked him straight forward, would you shoot a Weatherby with a 100,000 pound cartridge in it and he said not a chance. He told me he was going to bring it to Ed Weatherby's attention and try to resolve the question. He said he was sure the ads would be reworded.
Dan
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tj3006
.416 Rigby
AKA King Leui VX-III
Joined: 16 June 2003
Location: United States
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Points: 2373
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Posted: 17 July 2003 at 02:47 |
I gotta get into this one. When i am at the range (every weekend) I watch people shoot and this is what I have learned . Remember there are exceptions to all rules. If someone is trying to learn to shoot with a magnum as a 1st rifle they are probably making a mistake. Some guy thats bull headed and won't listen to the guys around him who can show him the targets with the holes close together just does.nt have the proper attitude to be a good shooter. we all (well most of us anyway) know the basic fundmentels of good shooting. Its harder to concentrait and not anticipate when you are getting kicked in return. But on the other hand if you practice any thing gets easier. But even so after I shoot 15 or 20 rounds with my .338 win, my groups open a bit. (that does'nt mean yours will) My opinion is that most experenced shooters can shoot a magnum as well as a standard. (at least for awhile.) But a guy who doesnt shoot much is more likly to master the techniques with a rifle he is comfortable shooting. And cause I hate muzzle breaks it probably means a standard cartridge. But with experience a mag is a good investment. I must say that laser range finders and Mildot reticles have made long range shooting practcle for a lot more of us, but if you want down range energy you need power at the muzzle.
...tj3006
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Freedom 1st tj3006
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Lawdog
.30/06 SpringField
Joined: 14 June 2003
Location: United States
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Points: 278
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Posted: 18 July 2003 at 13:54 |
D.F.C.,
Sorry pal BUT the burden of proof is in YOUR COURT. YOU MUST prove what Weatherby is saying is wrong. This means get some of the actions and then a good non-bias laboratory to do the testing. Post the results and IF you are right I'll be the first to join your bandwagon. Just making phone calls doesn't cut it. Until I see proof test results from a lab, what Weatherby says is the truth. I want to see it done the right way. Have the tests done and post the results here. Lawdog
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Spot shooter
Left BSB in Disgrace
Banned
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Posted: 18 July 2003 at 14:13 |
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Why is this thread still alive?
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D.F.C.
.30/06 SpringField
Joined: 10 June 2003
Location: United States
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Points: 499
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Posted: 18 July 2003 at 16:44 |
Lawdog wrote:
D.F.C.,
Sorry pal BUT the burden of proof is in YOUR COURT. YOU MUST prove what Weatherby is saying is wrong. This means get some of the actions and then a good non-bias laboratory to do the testing. Post the results and IF you are right I'll be the first to join your bandwagon. Just making phone calls doesn't cut it. Until I see proof test results from a lab, what Weatherby says is the truth. I want to see it done the right way. Have the tests done and post the results here. Lawdog
| Why don't you get a life!! You don't know what the hell you are talking about!! I don't give a rats ass what you think about anything!! Much less what I need to prove to you, which by the way is 0, that would be zero. You want to see proof get your lazy ass in gear and prove me wrong. By the way, how about a picture of your 223WSSM.
Dan
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Lawdog
.30/06 SpringField
Joined: 14 June 2003
Location: United States
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Posted: 19 July 2003 at 09:13 |
Well D.F.C. as you stated "get your lazy ass in gear" and prove Weatherby wrong? So far all you have done is prove how much credit to give to any postings you do in the future. Lawdog
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D.F.C.
.30/06 SpringField
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Posted: 19 July 2003 at 12:24 |
Lawdog wrote:
Well D.F.C. as you stated "get your lazy ass in gear" and prove Weatherby wrong? So far all you have done is prove how much credit to give to any postings you do in the future. Lawdog
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Anyone with any common sense at all can see thru people like you. It appears you know little or close to nothing about the subject at hand. That would be the ability of an action to handle pressure.
Not for you, but for other readers on this board I will make this statement, and I might add I got it from a Weatherby representative. It is impossible to subject any bolt action rifle action to 200,000 CUP. The threads holding the barrel to the action and the OD of the action in the threaded area will not stand anything over 100,000 PSI without damage, that doesn't mean catastrophic failure, just failure. Still waiting for that picture of the 223WSSM. LOL
Dan
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Kingpin
.416 Rigby
aka Old IronSides
Joined: 01 July 2003
Location: United States
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Points: 11716
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Posted: 21 July 2003 at 15:12 |
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Well, since there are so many turds floating in this punch bowl, I'll toss one in too. If anyone here has ever used a test fixture, please let me know how to do it so that I can see if I have been doing it right. Weatherby adds are for the mentally weak, who use their adds for some kind of sick masturbatory rituals. I am not sure how they measure 200,000 pounds of C.U.P. because as has already been reported, the crushers are limited to 80,000 C.U.P. no bullshit, JUST FACT! I want someone to explain how the 200,000 pounds is measured. The crushers are not designed to be stacked, I know. I have no problems with Weatherby rifles, I just don't prefer to own one. Some of their calibers are great, and I have several rifles that I built in some of them. Their "Fibermark stock," doesn't appeal to me, as it looks for all the world like some Fischer Price reject plastic. Glass bedding simply will not stick to it. They can be bedded, but only after proper preparations have been made. Even at that, the compound doesn't stick in it, rather, it's wedged in place. Their wood stocks are drop dead gorgious, but to me, they look more suited to exhibition than for a hard days hunt, worrying whether it will get scratched all the while, but then that's one of the reasons that I don't own any. The metal work on them is good to better than most. As far as a mirror finish on metal, I can do it too, so it's not voodoo or black magic to me.
On the original gist of this thread, I see nothing wrong with the 30-06. I have a few of them and enjoy shooting them. I also have a Warbird, a .300 Weatherby, and several .300 Win Mags. My personal preferance is any of my .300 Win Mags, as I handle them well and very satisfied with them. As far as 1 rifle, well, that's why I have several and try to match the rifle to the game. I don't have a lot of time to ponder and read about guns, I do the next best thing, I buy them if I want them, not fantacize about all the "what if's" and "if I only had one."
I forever believe that this thread was started to see how many fights could be started. Not much profit in that either..............Kingpin
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There are times when a normal man must, spit in his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.
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