Inlines. Legalistic Mentality?

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   Only recently have I really given the issue of inlines some deep philosophical thought:
They are currently the rifle of the legalist.
There is no question that the muzzleloader or primitive firearm seasons were, in the states where they were established; based on antique styles of firearms from the 19th century and before.
In order for one to use an inline muzzleloader in a muzzleloading rifle season, one must either give it no deep thought at all; or either acknowledge the fact that the equipment has eclipsed the regulations and original intent of the law and simply not care that using it constitutes unfair technological advantage even though it's legal.
 Legalism is simply a way of "passing the buck" based on the letter of the law as opposed to doing the right thing because it's the right thing to do. Legal or not, taking unfair advantage isn't a  way to have a "clean" success.AW  

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Adobe Walls Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .30/06 SpringField Joined: 09 August 2003 Status: Offline Points: 373	Topic: Inlines. Legalistic Mentality? Posted: 10 January 2004 at 06:40
	Only recently have I really given the issue of inlines some deep philosophical thought: They are currently the rifle of the legalist. There is no question that the muzzleloader or primitive firearm seasons were, in the states where they were established; based on antique styles of firearms from the 19th century and before. In order for one to use an inline muzzleloader in a muzzleloading rifle season, one must either give it no deep thought at all; or either acknowledge the fact that the equipment has eclipsed the regulations and original intent of the law and simply not care that using it constitutes unfair technological advantage even though it's legal. Legalism is simply a way of "passing the buck" based on the letter of the law as opposed to doing the right thing because it's the right thing to do. Legal or not, taking unfair advantage isn't a way to have a "clean" success.AW

rollingb Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .375 Holland & Holland Magnum Joined: 11 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 665	Posted: 10 January 2004 at 07:39
	Adobe,.... Them's my thots "exactly", but my thots ain't win'n any "popularity contests" among the inline-shooters!! Here's sumpthin else to think 'bout,....... I do understand some of "their" defense in regards to the inlines, and I think it is largely because they bought an inline as a "first" muzzleloader after "read'n/hear'n/watch'n" all the hype 'bout'em. I know what it's like to be straped for money, so a fella tends to "defend" his first choice in a firearm (or, other equipment) 'cause he'd rather not admit, he "may" have made a wrong choice! I hate "sales hype" of any kind,.... it's "SOLE PURPUS" is to git as much of "yore money" as it can,.... 'for the "competition" git's it!! If "sales" of inlines were to "drop-off", I'm sure the inline-industry would start show'n "ad's" of,..... "naked beautys" try'n to seduce hunters, who tote a praticular inline muzzleloader! (we "see" this in other "sales",.. don't we??!!) ('cum'on fellas, "quit" buy'n them inlines,... and,... let's "see" if I'm right!!)

NH_Hunter Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .416 Rigby aka The Kid Joined: 13 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3508	Posted: 10 January 2004 at 07:58
	Ok, how about we drop this whole anti-inline and anti-traditionalist stuff. It is getting tireing. We have been hearing about it for about a week, and it is boring now! By the way, rondo, how long have you been at shootersville.net? WHen i used to frequent it more often i dont think i ever noticed you there. NH_Hunter
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Rob1 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .416 Rigby The Walnut Whisperer Joined: 10 June 2003 Location: Vatican City State Status: Offline Points: 3413	Posted: 10 January 2004 at 08:06
	I'm just starting to realize just how much these inlines get peoples goat. AW, I think your over thinking it. I'll explain my motive's for purchasing the two inlines I've bought. The first one, a Whites .50 cal, I saw on the rack at Scheels about six years ago. I was just in there to be looking around. It caught my eye as I had been wanting to hunt a area restricted to ML,handgun, shotgun only. I bought it. The second a .54 cal Knight I bought a store closing sale. I wasn't looking for one. I bought a bunch of stuff dies, bullets, boots etc etc. It was simply a deal. If there had been traditionals there at the same price reductions I would have bought them too. I'm sure your thinking apllies to some, but the truth of the matter is you traditional types are just in a deep state of agony over all this and it's driving you all nuts. Keep on calling everybody else idiots and living the elitest snob lifestyle I quess misery really does love company among the ranks of the trad. guys. Rollingb Hey, I have a gun for sale.....Here's a pic

rollingb Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .375 Holland & Holland Magnum Joined: 11 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 665	Posted: 10 January 2004 at 08:54
	Rob!,..... If she was hold'n a purty "inlayed curly maple" stocked, traditional muzzleloader,.... inline "sales" would be "non-existant"!!!!!!.. Advertiser's have known for many years,.... thet "sex sells"!! BTW,.... how much, ya ask'n for the "pair"??

rollingb Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .375 Holland & Holland Magnum Joined: 11 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 665	Posted: 10 January 2004 at 09:01
	NH,.... "Once upon a time",.... ther weren't any such "disputes",.... then along came the "inlines"!! I've joined "Shootersville",.... before "Shooters" went "KA-PUT"!

waksupi Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .416 Rigby aka Keeper of the Old Traditions Joined: 11 June 2003 Status: Offline Points: 2371	Posted: 10 January 2004 at 11:46
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rollingb Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .375 Holland & Holland Magnum Joined: 11 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 665	Posted: 10 January 2004 at 12:16
	Waksupi,.... Good point!!.... A good traditional riflegun sure does "increase" in VALUE, don't it!! (and, you NEVER see'em "on sale'!!)

Rob1 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .416 Rigby The Walnut Whisperer Joined: 10 June 2003 Location: Vatican City State Status: Offline Points: 3413	Posted: 10 January 2004 at 12:22
	.....yea, but can ya dunk it underwater and still get fire

rollingb Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .375 Holland & Holland Magnum Joined: 11 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 665	Posted: 10 January 2004 at 13:05
	Rob1,..... Thet would be a big "NOPE"!! (in answer to yore question) Now here's my question,..... Do you hunt "under water"??? HA! HA! HA! Actually, "if" a feller knows "what" he's do'n, even flintlocks will work good in the "rain" when hunt'n! Which brings up anuther "thot",....... any of the subsitute fake "powders" are rendered "useless" after git'n wet,...... however,.... "real" blackpowder can be "dried out" and works as good as "new"!! (some "things", jest cain't be "improved on"!!)

Rob1 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .416 Rigby The Walnut Whisperer Joined: 10 June 2003 Location: Vatican City State Status: Offline Points: 3413	Posted: 10 January 2004 at 13:10
	so your saying you don't hunt underwater?

rollingb Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .375 Holland & Holland Magnum Joined: 11 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 665	Posted: 10 January 2004 at 13:33
	Rob1,.... WELL!!.... I did "fall" while cross'n a rocky creek once!! ...... but, I managed to cushion the "fall" of my riflegun, by use'n my head!!

waksupi Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .416 Rigby aka Keeper of the Old Traditions Joined: 11 June 2003 Status: Offline Points: 2371	Posted: 10 January 2004 at 15:31
	RollinB - They do indeed increase in value. My competition rifle, that I payed $1200 for about ten years ago, was appraised at $4500 last fall. And I suspect it will just keep going up. The Beckwith flinter I built for about $600 in parts about fifteen years ago, is appraised at $2100. I don't see many (any?) modern rifles increasing in value like this. I can stand it.
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rollingb Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .375 Holland & Holland Magnum Joined: 11 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 665	Posted: 10 January 2004 at 17:06
	Waksupi,..... !!!!!!!!!!!

Spot shooter Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Left BSB in Disgrace Banned Joined: 19 June 2003 Location: Bahrain Status: Offline Points: 0	Posted: 10 January 2004 at 17:07
	You fellar's ought to say it straight, we get In-lines cause it's easier to be lazy then to do all that work, and learn somethin. I think it's a fair challange fer most rifleman to settle down to shooting ONE shot. That's why everythin ain't a fallin' block. Spot

mr mom Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .30/06 SpringField Joined: 10 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 342	Posted: 10 January 2004 at 17:21
	i just seen a post on a michigan site i go to. they are saying the state might do away with in lines for next year. you should see the people bitching. my kid included. he just got 1 . looks like they will be fighting over my side lock again next year.
	mr mom

Rob1 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .416 Rigby The Walnut Whisperer Joined: 10 June 2003 Location: Vatican City State Status: Offline Points: 3413	Posted: 10 January 2004 at 17:31
	Spot So when are you trading in your Browning on a flinter?

rollingb Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .375 Holland & Holland Magnum Joined: 11 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 665	Posted: 10 January 2004 at 17:51
	Mr. Mom,.... I'm not surprised to hear such news. I mentioned the state of Idaho, in one of my other posts. Idaho now has 2 different muzzleloader seasons, one for inlines, and the other for traditional muzzleloaders. The most "recent" of the 2, is the one for inlines (the inline industry's representives, were lobby'n the state to "relax" the regs to allow "new improvements" of the latest inlines,...... instead however,..... the state intoduced a "new" season for inlines),.... NOW,.... if a "problem" should arise in regards to "deer density" (for any reason) Idaho can discontinue "1" of the "special seasons"!!..... anyone wanna bet "which" season will "go" first if "1" is discontinued??????? (least this is the way it was explained to me)

Rob1 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .416 Rigby The Walnut Whisperer Joined: 10 June 2003 Location: Vatican City State Status: Offline Points: 3413	Posted: 10 January 2004 at 18:47
	"You fellar's ought to say it straight, we get In-lines cause it's easier to be lazy then to do all that work, and learn somethin. I think it's a fair challange fer most rifleman to settle down to shooting ONE shot. That's why everythin ain't a fallin' block" I can't buy into that one. Inlines are also one shot and reload. If I had to chose a weapon for war and my choice was a inline or a black powder cartridge single shot, it's the black powder cartridge. I'll give it a edge for hunting as well and the tradtional guys love these Nothing lazy about it all. Exactly what is "all that work". I do believe the intent of a muzzleloader season was with a "primitive" rifle in mind. As it's been pointed out modern inlines didn't exist. I also wonder if a old, very old, german made inline flinter was used, would this be a sin also? Can anyone tell it's cabin fever season?
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rollingb Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .375 Holland & Holland Magnum Joined: 11 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 665	Posted: 10 January 2004 at 19:08
	I'd like to own one'a them 1700's inlines with "flint-ignition". Ther "down-fall" was,... they were too expensive to make in those days! Other then ther "inclosed breech" they looked like other muzzleloader "of the day"! I've never heard a "value" placed on the survive'n model,... but it's probly somewher in the "five digit range"!!