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Like mutant siamese twins.
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Not unless you are the siamese one Mule, I bleed red white and blue...............................Kingpin
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While it is rather strange looking,,if the stock fits and it shoots 5 into 3''@ 200,,I'll hunt it,,I have stopped cuttin' on equipment 'til it  proves out as trash,,but I've been surprised at what some junk can do with a little tweeking,,like people,,they are individuals,,and to me,,that's the fun of gunning.
If,,in the end all I have is my honor......it will be enough!
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well put there Justn!
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I like your quote Justin, Cav?...........................Kingpin
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Originally posted by Kingpin Kingpin wrote:

I like your quote Justin, Cav?...........................Kingpin
just one of those life lessons you come to believe if the really important things of life  matter to you at all,,,I found I couldn't exspect my children to honor thier mother and father if they didn't have an honorable example.Tho I don't consider myself honorable in and of myself,,but in the projected example I try to be.
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To expound upon what you said, I don't believe that honor can be projected. I believe that if you act honorable then you are, to put it simply. I believe it was Robert E Lee's mother who taught him to be honorable in all things and always do what George Washington would do. There is no finer example that these two people. Carrying it a bit farther, a code of honor is an individual thing, carried by that person. I was taught sometime ago, what honor is, and what one should do when his honor is besmerched. Well, dueling is out. WOW!! This is getting philosophical. Hey, were you in the Cav?................................Kingpin
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I shoot a couple of Savages. Well actually 3 of them. I have an early fifties NRA 19 shoots 22Br in the low to mid 240s 15x or so. Trigger work done cheap scope with some visible parallax. Probably do better with some quality glass.

I also have a Stevens .270 in a cheap plastic stock and no accutrigger. Does quarter size 3 shot groups at 200 with regularity. A relatively full case of H4831 under a  130 gr. Hornady interlock.

A .223 with a woodstocked hunter weight barrel and a Simmons 6-24 X 50. Again I bedded it myself. It consistently kills PD out to 200 have knocked down a few at 350+.

These guns fit my fancy and allow me to afford more guns in other calibers, shoot more, buy molds for cast, etc. Characterize them as tomato stakes if you want. There are a couple of guys on here that would routinely outshoot me regardless of what we shot. We could even trade rifles and they'd outshoot me (might not get to try as they probably think my Savage has leprosy or something.). Not an issue for me. I'd bet for the most part that the brand of rifle makes absolutely no difference in the targets produced from the average shooter. Just like spending $15,000 on a stereo system when your high range hearing is gone due to 40 years of non protected hearing while shooting. ( I think my 7-30 Waters 10" pistol stole mine.) KP is right we go through this all the time. Now can we just get back tothe .270 Vs 30-06 thread? RD
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On that note, I don't think anyone in this thread ever said not to buy one, just voiced their opinions on why they wouldn't. I for one don't care who buys them, I just refuse to believe that there is anything legendary about them, which always happens during the discussion about them. The list against them is accurate, as has been posted on, I believe, the first page. It's also longer than has been posted in past years. I guess that as we get older, some must get more discriminating and know what they don't like. No matter to me, nothing about them can change what I know to be fact. Some guys have accurate ones, according to them and there is no reason to believe that some of them are truly accurate. The old saying goes something like this about savage, "even a blind pig finds an acorn once in a while." This meaning that even savage arms can build a good one sometimes. As I said before, in my shooting years, travels, and matches, I only saw one and it was a stock model, high power rifle. If it had been in the money when it was all over, I would have mentioned that too........................Kingpin
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"...as we get older, some must get more discriminating ""

 

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After re-reading this thread, I thought about just what does make the Savage bolt centerfires ugly.  The following is, of course, just my opinion, but it does prevent money flowing from my wallet to Savage's coffers.

1. The bolt handle placement is just wrong.  Being at the very rear of the action, it influences the relationship of the handle/trigger/stock wrist.  That relationship just looks like crap to me.

2.  The fact that the bolt doesn't fill the ejection port of the action just looks cheap, therefore ugly.  2a.  Though it can't be easily seen,  the bolt itself, breaking down like it does, really turns me off.

3.  This is third because the prior two points count more with me, but the barrel nut is ugly.

4.  In large part the stocks are cheap.  Hardwood instead of walnut, synthetics that sound hollow, etc. 

Cheap rarely has aesthetic value.  The Savages are built to a price point and it shows.  Trouble is, it seems to me that with Savage's recent popularity, they are moving that price point up without increasing the quality all that much.

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Well, that nails it nicely...............................Kingpin
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the bolt handle also wiggles relative to the bolt itself.  Plastic trigger guard is ugly!

 

Igbo, your right the prices are going up and the quality is staying the same or lower. 

 
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You guys are right, but doesn't the great accutrigger make up for some of that uglyness? 

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Yes, to the same degree that a pair of fake eyeglasses with big nose and mustache would make Janet Reno better looking.
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LOL, Even the wittyness remains........................Kingpin
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Wingmaster, I think you are just tryin' to stir the pot.  Nah, I take that back.  I damn well know you're stirrin' the pot.  I'm tellin' ya guys, it's a naked attempt to cause consternation and discontent merely to keep an ugly thread alive.

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Originally posted by Kingpin Kingpin wrote:

To expound upon what you said, I don't believe that honor can be projected. I believe that if you act honorable then you are, to put it simply. I believe it was Robert E Lee's mother who taught him to be honorable in all things and always do what George Washington would do. There is no finer example that these two people. Carrying it a bit farther, a code of honor is an individual thing, carried by that person. I was taught sometime ago, what honor is, and what one should do when his honor is besmerched. Well, dueling is out. WOW!! This is getting philosophical. Hey, were you in the Cav?................................Kingpin
Hey 'Pin,,,maybe projected wasn't the word I needed,but it was the one I thought would,,oh well!what I meant was that I tried to "" live "" my honor in a way that my children ""got it "",,,my father was of the school that taught ""whatever it takes to get the job done,and hoping it don't hurt nobody,,,but if it does,,,sorry...""",where as I try to ""do my best ""to make sure that whatever I do doesn't hurt anyone else,,to the best of my ablity,,and still get the job done.And when I say hurt I don't mean literally "hurt",but I am at a loss for the correct word,,,yet again!I read two things that I try to hold to,,,the first,""if you WON'T  take offence,you CAN'T be offended...""the second,,,""to stand for you life and liberty is right,,,to stand for another's is noble"",,,CHRIST and George Washington respectivly.I have just lately started to become interested in R.E.Lee,,a most interesting person to say the least!No King, I was never in the "Cav,,knew a couple of booney rats from the 1st of the 9th (I think),,three tours a piece in the ' nam, if I remember right,,good guys!!
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That's alright Foo, at least I got a chance to talk a little philosophy. Good post Justin........................Kingpin
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Max says Hi Jon and usually sets up and smiles when Savage rifles come up.

Then has to spit. Per him.
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