See the new Savage/Stevens EDGE????

Tough to believe that Savage could make a gun uglier than the 110!  But they did.

As Savage keeps raising thier rifle prices, locally they are higher than Remington, they wanted a low end rifle that looks like a low end rifle to make the old Tomatoe Stakes look better by comparison.

I also notice that over the lst 5 years Remington prices are way up there.  Weatherby and Kimber are looking like bargains for what you get.

 I've pretty much lost all interest in any factory rifle. I used to have a ton of different rifles and was always horse trading, perhaps a phase. I'd rather have one good rifle than a safe full of ho hum factory guns. Of course the definition of good is different to all of us. Some of us just need it to go bang with some level of acceptable accuracy. Arguing of brands is simply a Ford vs Chevy thing any more. A more accurate argument may be bang for the buck. Savage certainly does well there but IMO Ruger has them all beat in that department. Even cartridges are so close in such large groups that in reality arguing that is also just banter. In the end if it turns your crank then you found your rifle.

The 10FP is not a "starter's rifle" by any stretch.

Law Enforcement, military, and specialized civilian "contractors" sometimes have the need to precisely place bullets onto a target at varying distances. This type of precision shooting is akin to the needs of a big game hunter, except that the situation is usually much more critical, and the outcome extremely grave. Precision shooting in these situations usually calls for an accurate combination of rifle, ammo, and shooter.  Many government agencies and contractors working for these agencies in foreign countries spend thousands of dollars to acquire the best precision equipment available. It is not unusual for some large SWAT units to spend three thousand dollars on a rifle, in addition to the scope and mounts. For that amount of money, there are some fine semi-custom rifles available that are very reliable, and exceedingly accurate. These rifles are usually based on a stock hunting rifle design that has been accurized and tweaked a bit by a custom gunsmith. The rifles are bedded into a synthetic stock, given a dull black finish and a better trigger, and shipped in a nice hard case. These are usually very good, precise, and accurate rifles, and are well worth the thousands of dollars spent. However, for a fraction of the price, you can just buy a new Savage .308 Law Enforcement series rifle, and get the same excellent accuracy and reliability, along with a better trigger.

......the Remington M700 has been the base for a lot of military "sniper" rifles over the years......as was the M70 Winchester....and the bolt action Rugers are just "civilianized" Mausers.......and so it goes......many of the custom guns are super but they also get lots of specialized attention and material etc and cost is not the factor driving them....so the OFFtheRACK guns for most of us mere mortals are more then adequate nearly all the time for our needs......and generally fit our meger budgets.......

.........so in the end it is as Rob1 said "if it turns your crank then you found your rifle".  THE END!

Love that one KP.

I'm going to add some smal breadbag ties to my Savage barrel, just to provoke a "what are those?"

Tue IBD, but they are rough guns and basically ugly.

I have a 338 mag and a Mark-2 22RF.  Wish I'd have gotten the CZ 22.

Same can be said of any AR-15.

I held one of these in my hands for about 2 minutes, and it was as good as any off the shelf Remington.  Trigger was GREAT!  If they only made it in '06, I'd buy one.

Yep, my tomato stake 10FP is ugly as sin. But, the tiny little groups it shoots are sure purty.

huntin1

it has been said that UGLY is only skin deep.....as Huntin1 has just atested to with his accuracy statement.....also, the accuracy of the Savage line of 110 based CF rifles is well documented and undisputable.

BEAR...the Mark II line is an import from a Canadian company that Savage bought a few yrs back. 

As to ugly SAVAGE guns, I urge you to look up a Savage M110PL (circa early 1970's) , find a picture, and tell me if you have rethunked that it is Ugly.  IF you is refering to the new EDGE rifle, well, I have seen pretty looking guns for sure.

Kingpin wrote: I saw it too Mule, and it's just the thing that every cabbage patch commando needs. Sniper rifle??? That's a good one. LOL.............................Kingpin

Have you shot one?   Didn't think so.  What precisely is the function of a "sniper rifle?"  Let's see, the Savage pokes holes in itty bitty groups.  Well, that's about it.  I'd say it qualifies as a sniper rifle, except that it doesn't have KP's name on it.

IBD. You can't judge a company today by what it made in 1970.....God...that was 40 years ago.  If that is ok then Honda, Toyota, and Mazda are the biggest pieces of shit anywhere.  Made from reprocessed USA beer cans. (except the CB line of motorcycles)

todays Savage rifles are low fit and finish quality.  the Accucu trigger is junk from the get-go.    they are reasonable accurate.

All you guys......define ugly for the 110 rifle.......if it's the bbl nut you all got in mind even that is not ugly just different......otherwise the non walnut stocks maybe.....

again DEFINE UGLY as it pertains to the Savage 110 series of rifles vs Win & Rem & Howa & Vanguard & etc! 

OK

Savage 110:

cheap plastic trigger guard.

terrible finished barrel, better get the SS model.

Action looks like rough casting.

Barrel nut (and its rough sandpaper like finish).

Stock that looks like an economy wal stud finished in Birch latex stain.

Lack of sling studs on many models.

Bolt to action fit.

Accu-trigger by Matel.

Plastic rear sight.

That is off the top of my head!  but they are very servicable and fairly accurate.  15 years ago I'd have said more accurate than Ruger, Remington, or Winchester.  Ruger and Remington are now more accurate tha the out of the box savage.

PS the three piece bolt actually rattles without a case in.

"They fill a niche, that makes it possible for those who aren't well heeled to own a rifle(?)....................Kingpin"

Well, the above description certainly fits me cuz I have 3 of them and none of them fit the eloquaint definition by the Bear......the closest he comes is the bbl nut which is the standard of the 110 series & not at all really ugly to me....but then the only thing well heeled about me is my dogs, they heel quite well.....the tang safety is the best location I can think of..same as my A-Bolt (a foreign made gun)...same as my shotguns I use the most and of course my hammer guns hammers are central to the bore line too except of course for the dbl bbls....but at least you of the elite are willing to allow us poor peasants to own firearmsalbet some extremely poor quality ones by your own words..........Justice o' Justice where art thou????????

I actually got to see a 22 lr barrel get shot out.   I was shooting comp with 22lr indoor.   A friend was shooting an old H&R revolver, that was competitive.  He had purchased it 2 or 10th handed.  It was probably 1938, pre-WW-2 vintage>  One night it just started to key-hole   looking at oour posted scores it was claer the barrel was thin to say the least.  no telling how many rounds, but I'd bet it was north of 15,000.

At that time I got the gun (paid $2) and cut the barrel back to 2" and made it a snake gun with 22 lr bird shot.   Sold it to t afishing buddy for $4, probably still functioning as a snake gun.

Fella's;

I had a Lakefield/Savage MKII .22 rimfire once upon a time.  After I worked it over, it was a good little 75 yard gopher gun.  I sold it to a gentleman who's son was also left handed & he wanted a decent .22 for a gift for the kid.  I then took the proceeds & purchased my first CZ452 lefty.

I sold the Savage for slightly more than I paid for it, but had also put a fair amount of work into it.  In fact, I think I detailed that project a few years ago here on site.  I'd buy another Savage MKII, without the accutrigger thenkewveddymuch, as a loaner/backup & maybe I will sometime down the line.

I don't have a Savage centerfire.  Never did, & doubt, with the exception of the 99's, that I ever will.  Even in the depths of "I wanna" left hand trying to get whichever gun, I never could force myself to that extreme.  In fact, I tried once to buy a Savage in .338 Winchester magnum.  I had the money, but even though the company catalogued the item, delivery could not be accomplished.  Instead, I wound up with my first, but certainly not last, Tikka & have never looked back.

Is it true that after some period of hard use, the removable/replaceable bolt head has been known to fall off?

900F

KP, which is more offensive to you - Savage rifles or female cops?

I shoot a couple of Savages. Well actually 3 of them. I have an early fifties NRA 19 shoots 22Br in the low to mid 240s 15x or so. Trigger work done cheap scope with some visible parallax. Probably do better with some quality glass.

I also have a Stevens .270 in a cheap plastic stock and no accutrigger. Does quarter size 3 shot groups at 200 with regularity. A relatively full case of H4831 under a  130 gr. Hornady interlock.

A .223 with a woodstocked hunter weight barrel and a Simmons 6-24 X 50. Again I bedded it myself. It consistently kills PD out to 200 have knocked down a few at 350+.

These guns fit my fancy and allow me to afford more guns in other calibers, shoot more, buy molds for cast, etc. Characterize them as tomato stakes if you want. There are a couple of guys on here that would routinely outshoot me regardless of what we shot. We could even trade rifles and they'd outshoot me (might not get to try as they probably think my Savage has leprosy or something.). Not an issue for me. I'd bet for the most part that the brand of rifle makes absolutely no difference in the targets produced from the average shooter. Just like spending $15,000 on a stereo system when your high range hearing is gone due to 40 years of non protected hearing while shooting. ( I think my 7-30 Waters 10" pistol stole mine.) KP is right we go through this all the time. Now can we just get back tothe .270 Vs 30-06 thread? RD

"...as we get older, some must get more discriminating ""

true

After re-reading this thread, I thought about just what does make the Savage bolt centerfires ugly.  The following is, of course, just my opinion, but it does prevent money flowing from my wallet to Savage's coffers.

1. The bolt handle placement is just wrong.  Being at the very rear of the action, it influences the relationship of the handle/trigger/stock wrist.  That relationship just looks like crap to me.

2.  The fact that the bolt doesn't fill the ejection port of the action just looks cheap, therefore ugly.  2a.  Though it can't be easily seen,  the bolt itself, breaking down like it does, really turns me off.

3.  This is third because the prior two points count more with me, but the barrel nut is ugly.

4.  In large part the stocks are cheap.  Hardwood instead of walnut, synthetics that sound hollow, etc. 

Cheap rarely has aesthetic value.  The Savages are built to a price point and it shows.  Trouble is, it seems to me that with Savage's recent popularity, they are moving that price point up without increasing the quality all that much.

Foo

the bolt handle also wiggles relative to the bolt itself.  Plastic trigger guard is ugly!

Igbo, your right the prices are going up and the quality is staying the same or lower. 

You guys are right, but doesn't the great accutrigger make up for some of that uglyness? 

Wing master

Wingmaster, I think you are just tryin' to stir the pot.  Nah, I take that back.  I damn well know you're stirrin' the pot.  I'm tellin' ya guys, it's a naked attempt to cause consternation and discontent merely to keep an ugly thread alive.

 Foo

Max says Hi Jon and usually sets up and smiles when Savage rifles come up.

Then has to spit. Per him.

Fella's;

HURRAY FOR MAX!!

900F

CB900F wrote: Fella's; HURRAY FOR MAX!! 900F

I know I sure miss his quick wit and gentlemanly demeanor on here. I don't know if Max has any Irish blood but when it was merited he sure epitomized that old Irish saying. "Irish Diplomacy is telling a man to go to hell in such a manner that he looks forward to the trip." Awesome. RD

Its good to hear Max is doing good. I sure miss him around here.

Foo,

Would a nice guy like me do something like that?

Wing master

the photo on my closet door

Grest to hear from MAX.. 5 at ya.

Yep, she's an ugly thing for sure. But I guess I can live with it.

100 yards:

200 yards

And screwing around with a different target at 100:

Sure wish I had a good rifle.

huntin1

Sorry.

huntin1