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Yep, my tomato stake 10FP is ugly as sin. But, the tiny little groups it shoots are sure purty.

 

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it has been said that UGLY is only skin deep.....as Huntin1 has just atested to with his accuracy statement.....also, the accuracy of the Savage line of 110 based CF rifles is well documented and undisputable.

BEAR...the Mark II line is an import from a Canadian company that Savage bought a few yrs back. 

As to ugly SAVAGE guns, I urge you to look up a Savage M110PL (circa early 1970's) , find a picture, and tell me if you have rethunked that it is Ugly.  IF you is refering to the new EDGE rifle, well, I have seen pretty looking guns for sure.



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Originally posted by Kingpin Kingpin wrote:

I saw it too Mule, and it's just the thing that every cabbage patch commando needs. Sniper rifle??? That's a good one. LOL.............................Kingpin

Have you shot one?   Didn't think so.  What precisely is the function of a "sniper rifle?"  Let's see, the Savage pokes holes in itty bitty groups.  Well, that's about it.  I'd say it qualifies as a sniper rifle, except that it doesn't have KP's name on it.

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I never made a rifle with my name on it. I certainly won't be accused of working on a savage, except maybe a Mod 99. Any rifle can print small groups, the question is, for how long. Quality materials are first on the list. I will never believe that they are concerned about that. Just look at the "Great Accu-Trigger." Looking at the trigger housing alone, it looks like it was made out of "high quality" steel beer cans. Aside from that, it's just as good as any Jewel Trigger (snrk). I kind of figgured you'd love them Mule, you've been a cabbage patch commando for as long as I have known you..........................Kingpin
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IBD. You can't judge a company today by what it made in 1970.....God...that was 40 years ago.  If that is ok then Honda, Toyota, and Mazda are the biggest pieces of shit anywhere.  Made from reprocessed USA beer cans. (except the CB line of motorcyclesWink)

todays Savage rifles are low fit and finish quality.  the Accucu trigger is junk from the get-go.    they are reasonable accurate.

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I didn't say I loved them.  Actually, the 110 IS about as ugly as it gets.  However, if you say the materials are crap, then I'll have to believe you.  I'm sure you've gone through a new Savage thoroughly and your assessment is 1st rate.  I don't know what a cabbage patch commando is supposed to be, but if that means popping KP's bubble from time to time, then I suppose I'm guilty.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Irish Bird Dog Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 May 2010 at 08:53

All you guys......define ugly for the 110 rifle.......if it's the bbl nut you all got in mind even that is not ugly just different......otherwise the non walnut stocks maybe.....

again DEFINE UGLY as it pertains to the Savage 110 series of rifles vs Win & Rem & Howa & Vanguard & etc! 

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OK

Savage 110:

cheap plastic trigger guard.

terrible finished barrel, better get the SS model.

Action looks like rough casting.

Barrel nut (and its rough sandpaper like finish).

Stock that looks like an economy wal stud finished in Birch latex stain.

Lack of sling studs on many models.

Bolt to action fit.

Accu-trigger by Matel.

Plastic rear sight.

That is off the top of my head!  but they are very servicable and fairly accurate.  15 years ago I'd have said more accurate than Ruger, Remington, or Winchester.  Ruger and Remington are now more accurate tha the out of the box savage.

 

PS the three piece bolt actually rattles without a case in.

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Bear speaks the truth, the whole truth, and nothing bu the truth. After all, he was a sworn officer of the court and probably still sworn. As has been said by myself and other "non subscribers", if you like them, buy them, as for the rest of us, we have no use for the ugly, non legendary, bastards. They fill a niche, that makes it possible for those who aren't well heeled to own a rifle(?)....................Kingpin

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"They fill a niche, that makes it possible for those who aren't well heeled to own a rifle(?)....................Kingpin"

Well, the above description certainly fits me cuz I have 3 of them and none of them fit the eloquaint definition by the Bear......the closest he comes is the bbl nut which is the standard of the 110 series & not at all really ugly to me....but then the only thing well heeled about me is my dogs, they heel quite well.....the tang safety is the best location I can think of..same as my A-Bolt (a foreign made gun)...same as my shotguns I use the most and of course my hammer guns hammers are central to the bore line too except of course for the dbl bbls....but at least you of the elite are willing to allow us poor peasants to own firearmsalbet some extremely poor quality ones by your own words..........Justice o' Justice where art thou????????



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Me thinks you are quick to judge. I don't care who buys what, I simply answered a question that pops up this time every year intended to yank my crank. It didn't work this year, I just answered the question and elaborated when I was asked to. The location of a safety on anything isn't an issue with me. Having shot competitively for 50 years, I adapt. I have even shot rifles with no safeties, but then, I was aware of that too. I even own a WW Greener shotgun with no safety or provisions for one, but it's a live pigeon gun. I have only seen 1 new savage on the competition line in all this time and that was in 1986. The barrel nut is an idiots way of doing things when they are unable or too cheap to do it right. As far as the dogs go, mine wouldn't heel if I dragged them by their collars, so you are blessed in that respect. As far as elite goes, I'm not sure that I am. I always figured that to be elite, one must wear a Rolex. I don't look down on people who buy savages, it just makes me wonder why they don't go a little further and buy something better. For years I only had 1 centerfire rifle that I hunted with, and that was a SAKO Finbear Deluxe that I scrimped and saved for. Bought in 1972 for $750, it opened my eyes as to what a rifle is supposed to fit and feel like. This after my first 13 years of competitive shooting, Army time, and borrowing former military rifles (bolt action type) to hunt with...........................Kingpin
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I kin look at the gun room and find other CF rifles.....Winchester, Remington, Ruger, Browning, Marlin, Springfield Armory, H&R, Bushmaster, Inland, Uberti, Rossi. I have never fired a custom made rifle so maybe ignorance is bliss after all......I know there are better triggers out there than on most of my rifles....my competitive shooting/experiance is a mere small drop in a large bucket compared to yours but it was small bore rifle and bullseye for most part with a pinch of trap tossed in (M870) so if a M52W is OK & my "Jimmy gun aka Colt Series 70 1911" ie Jimmy Clark/the Louisianna gunsmiths work, then I had a couple of "real" guns I guess. But we were talking CF rifles so this part is mute. Have a sip of CR and relax!

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I NEVER sipped a drink in my life, but that doesn't hide the fact that savage does NOT make a cosmetically pleasant rifle. You said, "it has been said that UGLY is only skin deep" but that is not the way it goes. The actual quote is, "Beauty is only skin deep, ugly is to the bone." There is NO amount of attempted reasoning about a blue light special rifle that will ever make me believe that it's fantastic. Serviceable at best, but not for my needs or tastes, risking being called "elitist" again I have higher expectations. If it interests you, I also started shooting with a Winchester 52 E model with the international thumbhole stock. I still shoot it, it has the original Kenyon trigger in it. I started shooting it in 1961 and still shoot it. As a side note, I doubt that any savage could match that record, shooting that many rounds with the same barrel...............................Kingpin
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not sure if anyone has complained about shooting out a bbl on a .22LR......of any brand or make.....oh, is a kenyon trigger from the homeland of the "Obama" man....?
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I actually got to see a 22 lr barrel get shot out.   I was shooting comp with 22lr indoor.   A friend was shooting an old H&R revolver, that was competitive.  He had purchased it 2 or 10th handed.  It was probably 1938, pre-WW-2 vintage>  One night it just started to key-hole   looking at oour posted scores it was claer the barrel was thin to say the least.  no telling how many rounds, but I'd bet it was north of 15,000.

At that time I got the gun (paid $2) and cut the barrel back to 2" and made it a snake gun with 22 lr bird shot.   Sold it to t afishing buddy for $4, probably still functioning as a snake gun.

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Like Bear, I have seen a few .22 pistols shot out. If you don't know what a Kenyon trigger is, well....... Anyway, I can assure you that it did NOT come from Kenya, It was built by a gunsmith years ago and at one time, a favorite to put into Winchester model 52's. It's still as competitive as anything made today and doesn't have that finger cutting, heavy pull, sheet metal, savage trigger so prevelant in their .22's. I have shot a number of the old savage .22 rifles and am very impressed with their accuracy with that lousy trigger, stock, and chintzey sear set up. They SHOOT, but, again, I never owned one. I believe the first .22 rifle I ever shot was a Remington 513 rangemaster. It was so old that it didn't even have a serial number on it. It was quite a little rifle, but it too had a sheetmetal trigger. I have long since graduated from such things though........................Kingpin

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Fella's;

I had a Lakefield/Savage MKII .22 rimfire once upon a time.  After I worked it over, it was a good little 75 yard gopher gun.  I sold it to a gentleman who's son was also left handed & he wanted a decent .22 for a gift for the kid.  I then took the proceeds & purchased my first CZ452 lefty.

I sold the Savage for slightly more than I paid for it, but had also put a fair amount of work into it.  In fact, I think I detailed that project a few years ago here on site.  I'd buy another Savage MKII, without the accutrigger thenkewveddymuch, as a loaner/backup & maybe I will sometime down the line.

I don't have a Savage centerfire.  Never did, & doubt, with the exception of the 99's, that I ever will.  Even in the depths of "I wanna" left hand trying to get whichever gun, I never could force myself to that extreme.  In fact, I tried once to buy a Savage in .338 Winchester magnum.  I had the money, but even though the company catalogued the item, delivery could not be accomplished.  Instead, I wound up with my first, but certainly not last, Tikka & have never looked back.

Is it true that after some period of hard use, the removable/replaceable bolt head has been known to fall off?

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KP, which is more offensive to you - Savage rifles or female cops?

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Take your pick Mule. But of course you need to put it in it's own topic.................................Kingpin

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it has been rumored that Mule and KP are one and the same....providing entertainment for the masses.....
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