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Lawdog 
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 Topic: Your Opinions On..........
Posted: 05 July 2003 at 11:09 |
I’m just wondering what your opinion is on whether or not the so called new line of cartridges will survive the test of time. The cartridges I’m talking about are the WSM, RSAUM and RUM. My thoughts are that the RSAUM will stand up to the WSM line up. I also don’t think the RUM will survive either due to lacking sales. Remington has already dropped the Model 700 BDL in .338 RUM due to lacking sales and I believe that this trend will continue. Lawdog
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Kingpin
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Posted: 05 July 2003 at 11:34 |
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On a personal view, (I SAID PERSONAL DAMMIT!!!!!) you'd have a better chance being struck by lightening in the bottom of a mine than any of the alphabet cartridges surving for very long. I realize that I shoot a BMG, and it too will die, after all, it's been in service since around 1927................Kingpin
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There are times when a normal man must, spit in his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.
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CB900F
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Posted: 05 July 2003 at 12:06 |
Lawdog;
I don't have anything to back this up with, just a gut feeling. The larger WSM's will be the survivors. Of the WSSM's, the .243 might make it. I don't see a lot of hope for the Remington anything's. Maybe one or two of them will be alive after 20 & vote, but I won't put any money on it.
900F
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tj3006
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Posted: 05 July 2003 at 13:23 |
I think The 300wsm will make it ,Probably the 300 and 7mmultra will to. It would not be to big of a suprise to me if the 270wsm was around for awhile but I would not count on it. I just don't see why somebody tried to fix somthng that ain't broke ! The 300 win mag works great and has for a long long time, People trust it. Its a sure thing ! Ive herd some guys say some silly things about the WSMs Like the bullet will drop faster then a regular 300win. I pointed out that if its drivin to the same speed it will shoot just as flat but People have there opinions and the facts be damnd !
...tj3006
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Freedom 1st tj3006
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TasunkaWitko
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Posted: 05 July 2003 at 13:29 |
i would say that any of them which actually fill a niche will survive, and maybe a couple of them that don't. people have a knack for buying stuff whether it is actually necessary or not, especially in america and in balmy british comumbia! 
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TasunkaWitko - Chinook, Montana  Helfen, Wehren, Heilen Die Wahrheit wird euch frei machen
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klallen
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Posted: 05 July 2003 at 14:18 |
Who we kidding, guys. They'll probably all out live some of you old timers on here. Maybe even outlast us young pups  . >> klallen
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NH_Hunter
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Posted: 05 July 2003 at 14:35 |
Hey Kingpin, i think the .50 BMG has been in service since 1919. I highly doubt that the RSAUM will last more than 5 years. They just got outperformed by the Wizzums. The .223 and .243 Wisssssums will probably last even less. The alchoholic cartridges (RUMS) will probably last a while because of their uniqueness and capabilities. There might be a chance that the RUMS take over Weatherby's rein in the power section due to the fact that you can get more performance for a lot less money. I bet the .50 BMG (sorry guys i jump around topics a lot) will outlast the m16 rifle, and probably whatever else they throw in as a battle rifle. You just cant beat it's performance unless you go to Cannons, i.e. 20mm, but the 20 mm has about the same ballistics as a person throwing a baseball.
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dakotasin
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Posted: 05 July 2003 at 16:47 |
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i see the rem shorts and the win super shorts fading away. the wsm's and the rum's will live on. i doubt the 270 wsm will last too long, though...
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North Logan
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Posted: 05 July 2003 at 18:57 |
Here's my take:
Rem SAUMS - Nope.
7mm & .300 WSM - Yep.
.270 WSM - Nope. [well, but maybe] 
7mm & .300 RUM - Yep.
Other RUMS - Nope.
On the other hand....
6.5 x 55mm; 7 x 57mm; .270, .30-06, 7mm Rem Mag, .300 Win Mag. - Great Big Yep!  
Marcus.
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macca
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Posted: 05 July 2003 at 19:18 |
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Spot shooter
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Posted: 06 July 2003 at 02:43 |
Lawdog,
300WSM has got a great foot hold, If availability of the cartridges rounds out the list of manufacturers It'll be good to go. Reason why is cause it's good fer all by the most dangerous game, and can be loaded down easier than the 300 Win Mag. I like it fillin the gap between the 06, and 300 Win Mag.
Rem Ultra Mag's will live on because folks need to be able to say "my dog's biggger then yours" RSUM will die a sad and lonely death. Remington IS NOT, I repeat NOT, NO WAY a good ammo manufacturer. Their ammo has more variance than anyone's on the market. Components stink - "that's why their guns' shoot so good with winchester ammo, they design them to handle remington's crap ammo - when ya put good ammo in they shoot real nice."
270, and 7MM WSM got a chance to make it mostly cause 270 folks like braggin, and the 270's got a serious foot hold. 7 is a bit more likely to fade. 223WSSM - Good question, Same with the 243. The reality of the situation is a 22-250 got all you need, and theirs some good gun's out there. If long haul shooters can get somethin out of them they'll find a niche.
Spot
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Kingpin
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Posted: 06 July 2003 at 11:49 |
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Spot, if you use a .300 Win Mag, you will fill any of the gaps that you mentioned. I have owned a few of them over the years, and kept only the good ones. I plan to build a heavy bench rifle in .300 Wby for 1000 yd bench rest shooting. Apparently it's the caliber of choice due to some of the great brass that is now being made for it. I was going to build it this past spring, but that dammed war got in the way, a lot of overtime. Lately work has been ruining my screwing around time, not to mention that my alcohol intake is slowing. After my last physical, the doctor said that I have too much blood in my alcohol stream. I still dom't think that very many will survive. On another note, I am seriously thinking about building a Rem .350 Mag as a new hunting rifle................Kingpin
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There are times when a normal man must, spit in his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.
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Eagleye
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Posted: 06 July 2003 at 12:54 |
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I recollect making a ststement quite a while ago that I would not jump on the bandwagon of the new short mag series of cartridges since they seemed to be a fix for a non-existent problem. Still feel the same way about those, although, it appears that the 300 WSM may survive in the marketplace. The much larger cases like the 7mm and 300 RUMs will probably hang around awhile, but are still highly specialized cartridges that most shooters and hunters need like an extra r##t#m. If one has a 300 Win Mag [or the ballistic equivalent] already, there is no practical reason to go to the Short Mag series, unless you just have to own another gun! The 243WSSM and 223WSSM are already covered ballistically, and both of those are nightmare feeders in many firearms. Thanks, but no thanks! I say they will enjoy a relatively short life and then just fade away. Regards Eagleye.
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Kingpin
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Posted: 20 July 2003 at 16:12 |
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NH, I think the 1919 that you are referring to is the Browning 1919 watercooled chambered in US Caliber .30, or 30-06. The M-2 HB (Browning .50 caliber machinegun) came later, like around 1927. This info can be gleaned in Firearms of the World, and Janse Pubs.....Kingpin
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There are times when a normal man must, spit in his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.
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NH_Hunter
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Posted: 22 July 2003 at 10:33 |
Oops. I though the .50 BMG came earlier. Wasnt there also an M1917 machine gun or am i pulling this info out of my ass?
NH_Hunter
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Kingpin
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Posted: 22 July 2003 at 16:23 |
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LOL NH no offense, don't get a new ass, just buy a book or two. After all, a little ass is good for all of us.......LOL...........Kingpin
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The clown just fired that 577 thingy.But I bet old timers said that the 270 win was probably a waste of time and the 220 swift and the 25-06 etc etc.Remember younger shooters like something different just so it is different and so do a lot of older ones for that matter.If they didn't invent something new ,what would the magazines print and what would we talk about?Now were are those factory 257 and 338WSM's.Macca