wrong bullet wrong job wrong everything!!

from a discussion about velocity vs. bullet construction on another forum. let this be an example:

The only 'actual' comparison I have seen is with a lowlier caliber - 22 centre-fire. hornet compared to 223 and 22-250. Same bullet, different velocity. A 223 firing a FMJ does the same damage as a hornet firing a soft nose bullet. The hornet bullet does the same damage at the same range as a 308Win - both firing soft nose bullets and at similar velocity (on turkey - on goat, the 308 does a bit more damage but not much). Another comparison I have witnessed is different bullet construction. 87gr Sierra 25's against 100gr Seirra 25's. The 87gr at slightly higher velocity shreads a goat while the 100gr behaves like a 308. But that same 100gr bullet shreads a turkey and at longer ranges, actually does more damage than a 22-250. Then I have shot game with a 150gr Hornady spire point soft from a 303 Brit and found it to be too fast at close range. But that bullet gave me a 200m Point Blank Range. So, my point is that different bullets at differenct speeds behave differently on different game. I do know I do not like recoil! Here's what happens when your bullet is too fast. This is the entry wound and it did not kill the deer - the deer alegedly staggered toward the shooter who killed it with a pistol.

edit: the guy who posted it was from new zealand - didn't know it was a pronghorn so called it a deer, even though he knew it wasn't. he in turn got the pic and explanation from another forum. 

scooter - a .22/250 or other fast .22cf with a v-max or other varmint bullet could very well make a wound like that if it is fired at an animal that is "too close." i've thankfully never seen it personally, but have heard more than one first-hand account. the bullet 'explodes" on impact making a big rose bloom wound and never even gets close to the vitals.

Ya I know it can happen. But it never should. Poor bullet selection is no excuse. No one should be shooting varmite bullets out of high speed rifles at game. FWIW and I still stand by my first post. That is a dead deer!

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TAZ, that looks something like the very first buck I killed back in 1964 with a .300 Win mag and 150 grain bullet at 35 yards. It was a total mess! To much velocity with a light for caliber bullet.

I have caused 4 and 5 inch rose wounds on coyotes and groudhogs using Hornady's V-Max bullets. They are like a bomb going off on contact with the animal.

My diary says I've killed  101 whitetails with compound/long bow/crossbows/ flintlocks/handguns, and a variety of cartridges.  I've used some big cartridges like 338/340/348/416.  Never had a exit hole like that!!!!

Got 3 deer with a 375 handgun, exit was 2 inches.

If (and I don't want to) I wanted to make an exit like that I'd thing of 270 Weatherby with a 90 grain flat nose bullet, at close range.  That is a lot of damage and I doubt seriously that a 22 cf could do that on the exit.  Clearly it was a close shot.  My 300 ultra at 150 yds doesn't even come close to that.

It was a killing shot with what looks like good bullet placement.

RaySendero wrote: TasunkaWitko wrote: from a discussion about velocity vs. bullet construction on another forum. let this be an example:   Good example of  1) marginal bullet from 2) marginal caliper!!! I prefer to error on side of bigger bullets making 2 holes. - One hole going in and the other hole coming out with straight line penetration between the two.

Ray Sendero, there's a familur name. Greaybeard right? Take another look at that photo, look familuar? Didn't we see it a year or so ago and it was claimed that a ballistic tip did that and not by a guy from New Zeland?

I talked to Mike Harris at Nosler about that and he'd seen it but said it was not done with a ballistic tip. Folks that photo has been around and I think it was shot with a high speed varmit bullet; maybe from a 22-250. The old Hornady 50gr SX from a 22-250 just under 3500fps could well do that. Or, I use 75gr V-Max's in my 243 and I'm pretty sure they would do that also.

Don Fischer wrote: I talked to Mike Harris at Nosler about that and he'd seen it but said it was not done with a ballistic tip.

if i was nosler i'd be quick to divert blame too...

whether this was a ballistic tip, v-max, or whatever, i think the point remains to match the bullet to the velocity to the critter.