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    Posted: 30 December 2004 at 10:46

Most of you know I live in the east, but hunt lots of places including Wyoming the last two years.  I've made a lot of interesting observations about the differences in the Eastern hunter and the Western hunters, different styles.

In watching deer in the west, I talked to some wildlife managers and land-owners about deer herds, and ratios.  I was "told" that management of the deer in the west is difficult because hunters there don't want to shoot does.  The reason I was told was that most hunters don't want deer to eat, so there is no point in shooting does.  Western guys, I was told, were looking for antlers only.  And that doe licenses seldom sold out.

These people were not saying that NO ONE eats deer, but that it is not "desired".  My response was to ask the same folks, do you eat mule deer or antelope.  It was tough to find anyone who said they ate or like antelope.  Usually I got an answer like " I'd rather eat dog sh&^t than sage goats".  Some guys said they ate it when they were kids (like peas on the plate) or when they were out of work.  Seemed no one I talked to ate deer because they liked it.

These guys were saying "some folks eat it"  but not a lot of hunters.

Here in the east, most hunters like deer meat.  Lots of girls and wives turn their noses up at it for "ethical" reasons ( but who cares about distaff folks).

I know lots of you guys eat deer and antelope........but what is the general Montana/Wyoming hunters tastes??????  Do you know more guys that like deer/antelope or those that don't like the meat?

Just curious!

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i like it, and most of the people that i know like it too, but i ahve seen one or two people with the "peas on a plate" attitude.

as for the antelres only, there might be a bit of truth to it, but i think that most of the antler craze is from people who come out here from back east and pay big bucks and don't want to go home with a doe. most of the "local" hunters i know will prefer to take a buck, but will also take a doe or two. many actually prefer a big doe over a small or old buck.

now, all of this is qualified, as i am sure it is everywhere, by the fact that ol smokey can walk across a field at any moment. when that happens, does and peas are usually forgotten.
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Well I for one like deer and antelope! The people I have met here in MT that do not like antelope, are those people that shot an antelope, threw it in the back of their truck in 70-80 F temps for 3 days before they did any thing with it. Yeah, it's going to taste like crap then! All those I know that clean it immediatly and take care of it all like it. No offense to locals, but it's most of the locals born and bred in MT, that I have met that are the ones that throw the antelope in the truck for 3 days before processing it. Those that clean and process the meat ASAP, are usually transplants to MT.

About shooting for antlers in the West, I really see it no different than in the East. I grew up hunting in AR, and there you can tag two bucks compared to only one buck in MT. Usually in the East you climb up in a stand and wait. In MT, you stalk as in most places there are no trees to hang a stand on in deer country. Also, I feel I have to work at getting a deer here in MT, compared to just waiting on one walk into my shooting lane. When I work for it, I want a little some thing to show off.

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Hope Utah counts in your survey.  Here most of the tags are buck only and are by state draw. I lucked out and bought a lifetime tag for son and myself so we get a tag every year. Fish and Game have it in their heads that if NO does are harvested then the deer herd will remain the same. It gets to the point I see herds of does and No bucks.  Even the little spikes are shot to $hit every year and I wonder if there will be any for next year.  F&G then have special hunts where they wipe out everything when the deer end up in farmers fields in winter  looking for food. Go figure. I am to the point I only shoot something mature. I don't HAVE TO SHOOT A LITTLE ONE just to prove I can hunt. I eat what I shoot....Almost all hunting is stalking with some shots in the 300+ range not uncommon. We have some forest areas that bow hunters will put up blinds and tree stands . Antelope is draw only and most are looking for the big  boys and most eat what they shot.  Most of those I talk to has it made into salami or something simular. BTW Utah is about 5% private land the rest being state and federal.  I like to see new areas so try and plan a hunt to a new area if I can using well know spots as a back up.

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Originally posted by Hudge Hudge wrote:

No offense to locals, but it's most of the locals born and bred in MT, that I have met that are the ones that throw the antelope in the truck for 3 days before processing it. Those that clean and process the meat ASAP, are usually transplants to MT.


as a native, i have to agree that this does happen a lot. when i was in lewistown, the attitude toward antilope was very scornful, in spite of the fact that EVERYONE was out tehre on opening day and at least half the town was making a good living off the hunters coming into town to hunt antelope as well.

when i got my antelope, i acted like i really got something good as far as meat goes. took care of it, did everything "right," yadda yadda yadda....

told this to one of the guys at the local sprts store and he was like, "why? it was just an antelope!"

he didn't come out and say it, but i got the feeling i would have been better of if i had given it to my dog!

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Hudge, maybe in Great Falls.....other than that I find many, many more issues with transplants.

Bear, I think your post is fairly representitive of the West. "Meat" hunters in Mt. go for cow elk and for good reason, they taste a whole lot better. I really don't care for deer unless it's some sort of sausage. I had my entire deer made into sausage this year. I've never really had much of a interest in Antelope. I may change that just to get out more but if I take an animal it will be made into cheddar dogs and jalepeno sausage.

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Most of the people in this area buy extra doe tags, to fill the freezer with, as we are over run with them. Then they will go for a buck on thier A tag, but are not real trophy hunters for the most part. I think a lot of it is the desire of more time in the outdoors. The big bucks definitely don't get all shot out around here, as so little of the mountains actually have any hunting pressure at all. I'm sure there are bucks and bulls that die of old age here, without ever seeing a human.

A lot of the mentality of not wanting to shoot does goes back some years. When I was a kid, it was bucks only, and to shoot a doe was a big screw up. Kind of like shooting a hen pheasant.

I prefer cow elk to poor bull, and as has been stated, antelope is fine, if treated properly.

 

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Bear,

I live and hunt mainly in Montana and while I do agree that most focus is on trophy hunting, there are still alot of does and cows taken every year.  In fact I would say there are far more does and especially cows harvested annually then bucks and bulls.

The problem is that there are alot of doe tags and in these areas, not a huge population like there is back east.  Also, Beef ranchers are a dime a dozen out west so high quality beef is much easier to get.

Personally, I feel that the reason most are trohpy hunters is because of the draw for local outfitters to pull in high paying out of state hunters who are not going to pay for a doe.

I have been raised on wild game all my life and still eat only wild game.  Only times we eat beef are when we go out to dinner, never at home.  There are many folks like this in my area.

As far as pronghorns go, they have some of the finest eating meat of all the wild game.  Problem is generally caused by the hunters themselves.

For some reason, many feel it is not a pronghorn hunt unless they have actually witnessed that a pronghorn can run 50 mph for a couple miles.  Far to many uneducated goat hunters cause their own problems by running the game before shooting it.

Personally, I have never shot or had anyone with me shoot a pronghorn that was moving at all.  There is no need to.  If you take your time and actually know how to put in a quality stalk and can actually shoot, there is no reason to shoot at moving goats.

Second, and perhaps the largest mistake hunters make with pronghorn is that they leave the hide on to long.  It is best to get the hide off a goat ASAP and cover the carcass with breathable game bags or hang then in a cool place.  It is the hide that can transfer taste to the game.

Also, when your skinning the goats, be sure not to touch the meat with your hand after you have been holding the hide.

Taking a pronghorn in an area with only sage brush can also result in a fowl tasting animal.  If that is the only thing they can eat that will be the only thing they will eat.

Do some research and find areas that are farm land, with huge grain fields.  I assure you that a goat taken off land like this that has not been run hard will be fine eating.  Also remember getting the hide off quickly.

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Here in CO,the antelope I kill are great, but like Fiftydriver says, you don't shoot them if they have been run, and get that hide off right now. A while back a picture was posted here and showed an adead ntelope standing up, riga mortis had aset in. I can guarantee that antelope wasn't fit to eat.

I don't do much deer hunting. Once you live on elk, deer are 3rd class eatables. I usually have  at leat 1 elk in the freezer and the last couple of years two. I don't hunt horns, so see no reason to shoot deer. If I want one , I go out eats and get a corn fed doe. I have shot enough bull elk in my years, that I can do without that also, so usually opt for a young cow.  However, I have 14 preference points a for a trophy bull area, and will get a license next year maybe, but definitely the year after. So I do like to shoot big bulls, but it's not a  must thing. I don't know of anyone I hunt with that has an  aversion to shooting doe.

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All the hunters I personally know eat what they bring home, be it deer, elk, or antelope.   I've never had antelope myself, but I've had some great elk steaks and sausage.  

For rifle season in CA a doe tag is near impossible to get.  One of the reasons I'm getting into archery is there are a few bow hunts for either sex deer.  I'd just as soon have a big doe as a buck.

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all of my antelope has been very good, even though the hide has been left on at least overnight (sometimes two nights) on 4 out of the 6 antelope i have had. i will qualify this by saying that the weather had been colder than usual, and that if it were warm, i would also be skinning very soon.

none had been running, but some had been walking. in addition, they had all had alfalfa or grain for most of their diet. as 50driver said, these factors make a huge difference.
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I've eaten whitetail, blacktail, and mule deer. I've eaten cow elk and bull elk. I've eaten both nanny and billy mountain goats.

Here's what I've come to beleive. Deer taste better when they've been feeding on ag crops instead of sage, blackberry vines, or other wild and more pungent plants. Deer taste better if you shoot them before the rut instead of in the middle of it.

Mountain goat, at least the two I ate, are really good. One was a 4 1/2 year old billy and the other was a 7 1/2 year old nanny according to the teeth we sent in.

I've eaten 4 spikes, 2 6 points, and a cow elk along with pieces from other people's elk over the years and to be honest the 18 month old cow I shot a few years back didn't taste as good as any of the bulls. Killing a bull in the rut doesn't seem to affect the taste like it does with deer.

 

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Interesting comments.

Personally I eat lots of venison and have for the last 40 years.  Probably eat more deer than beef.  Love them both.

I find 2 1/2 year old does to be the best eating, and yearlings to be the poorest fare.  The Fawns" taste like veal" mentality I often hear and are good; doesn't fit with my taste.  Fawns have not flavor and a lousy texture.  to each his own.

Quality obviously depends upon what they have been eating.  Only had one that had a "bad taste".....don't know what that deer was on?

The antelope that I've eaten were delicious.  They were also in the butcher shop within 2 hours of killing.  And they were gutted immediately and the carcass washed out with clean water before they were put in the truck bed.  It is nice to be able to drive you vehicle up to the dead animal.  In the east I've often spent 4 or more hours dragging the deer back to the car.

Fifty you mentioned on of my thoughts.  Namely that there are a lot of local small beef raisers in the west for more good beef is available at a lower cost.  Folks just like beef better and therefore don't think much of deer as food.

Last year I hunted PDs in western North Dakota.  Lots of Pheasants everywhere.  The rancher where I was staying told me what he thought was a funny story!  Seems some Pennsylvania hunters were hunting pheasants there and saw all the cottontail rabbits.  SD only allows you 4 birds a day (I'd never go there for pheasants from far away Pennsylvania).  These guys stated shooting bunnies after they got their daily limit on birds.  But what the rancher thought was outrageously funny was they "actually cooked and ate those rabbits".  I laughed out of consideration, but didn't see anything funny in it.  I like fried rabbit.

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 The majority of the people I know that hunt deer do it for the meat, and if a good set of horns comes along so much the better.

 Antelope is a love hate thing , people either love it or hate it.

 I don't know of too many people that won't pull the trigger on the first legal elk that comes by.

 Alot of farmer/rancher types here hunt. If they fill their tags then any buthcer beef they have hanging around can be sold for some money to pay bills with.

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BEAR, I hunt down here in the cedar breaks and live oak flats of Texas.One thing I noticed is all the fellas in this thread talking about the animals diet relative to the taste of the meat.I`ve heard many,many people snerl their nose at eating wild boar.I`ve put it on the pit at our fish camp and those same people will tell you it is excellent until they find out it was a wild hog.We shoot hogs off of cornfeeders and those that raid protein feeders very commonly.A feral hog with an 80 percent diet of corn and protein feed is very fine eating.On the other hand,you take a 300 pound boar living on mustang grapes,acorns,roots,rodents,snakes, bird eggs and whatever other carne they can subsist on and you`ll be eating a stinker.I`ll take a wildhog tenderloin wrapped in foil with butter and marinated in GOYA creole sesoning, cooked on a pit over a hamburger any day...Gene

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You got my mouth watering Ghost.  I've shot and butchered lots of wild boar (feral hogs).  The hams were always good and I usually turn the rest into breakfast sausage, I like sausage and don't like chops, etc.  Most of the hogs I've eaten were from the south and I think their diet was "a 300 pound boar living on mustang grapes,acorns,roots,rodents,snakes, bird eggs and whatever other Carian they can subsist on ".  I usually hunt thick cover along river/creek banks.  Actually the more hogs I see the less snakes I see, and that is fine for me.

I agree that diet makes a difference, but I don't think we can really know what a wild animal is eating.  That is why eating fish is so dangerous, who knows what a wild salmon, cod, or had it has been eating.  They are carrion eaters and could be heavily contaminated.  Vegetarian animals like deer are better choices for me.

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Venison has always been an important part of my families diet.  I very much hunt for the meat (as well as the horn).  I consider myself pretty luck to have married a gal that has really embrassed wild game     ...     cooking and eating it on a regular basis.  Her family did very, very little hunting as she grew up and what they did kill, they never kept any of the meat.  Always went to a grandparent.  When we married, she saw how much of a staple venison was to my family and dove right in.  Getting family recipies for steaks & roast.    From her back-ground, I would have never guessed a venison eater would emerge, but low and behold.  I am fortunate.

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I agree BEAR,we can`t know the whole of the diet if we did I bet we could market them wild hogs as 100 percent organic,homegrowed wild hog..I sure like em.I eat a lot of deer meat,6MM,6MM`S mom and sister both like breakfast sausage and smoked link sausage made from deer mixed with pork.I sure hope I can get to elk hunt soon.I got to eat some elk years ago and that was superb.I see why Ranch 13 said, would you rather eat deer and hog or dine on an elk roast occasionally.Never tried antelope,heard both good and bad about it,but if I kill one I plan on eating him...

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Got a little piggy hindquarter on the pit right now! Wild hog is hard to beat, better flavor and texture than domestics, IMO.
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The guy I hired to frame my house hunts and eats rabbits. Between himself and his partners one season they killed, cleaned, and put 259 rabbits in the freezer.

I shot a grouse I couldn't eat this year. I gnawed the legs and thighs like jerky (it was a big grouse) but my dog could barely get the breast meat down. It took work to get a fork into it. If I'd known it was going to be that tough I'd have stewed it instead. I swear that thing was 20 years old if it was a day.

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