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I have shot pronghorn, mule deer, and elk with a 270 Win and 308 Norma Mag . Used a 340 Weatherby to shoot elk.  Now ,if I could  only have one big game rifle it would be a 300 Win Mag. I would load up some 165 grain bullets for it . The new rifle would be a Weatherby Vanguard with a Leupold 3-9 X scope. I could also look at a Howa 1500 .  I would give the new rifle a tune up, that is glass bed the action, freefloat the barrel , and adjust the trigger pull down to about three pounds before I started to work up reloads for the new rifle. Over the years I have tryed out various calibers and brands of big game rifles . With the bullet to match the game , put the bullet in the lung heart area with any big game caliber  rifle and there will be game hanging fron the meat pole.  My old Win Mdl 70 270 Win that I got in 1952 is staying home this year. Now, for me there are more up hills than down hills -- Im over the hill so a Ruger 77 UL 257 Roberts w/ 2-7 X scope with 115 Gr reloads will be used to get a mule deer .

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote mickey Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 November 2008 at 07:53

Mornin all,

Well after all the much appreciated input. And I do thank all of you. Then taking into consideration,a wife,cost and the political additional BS add on's in my state. I went with the 111F Savage-.270,and the Nikon Buckmaster 4.5X14 scope.

That being said,I now wait 10 days,then will head to the range for sighting and pure enjoyment.

Thanks again,and I hope to see you in the field

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i'll bet you're pretty happy with it!

savage, as you know is known for being american made and being accurate right out-of-the-box. let us know what you think of it!

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 Where did this thread come from,how'd I miss it ? So I'm late but here's my personal favorites right now.

 Long range 270 wsm,short range 7mm-08,in the woods thicket gun .338 Federal. Favorite long action gun and have killed enough deer,hogs and other critters to fill up quit a few trucks,the good old .270. Don't listen to CB on this point he's had to many Knob Creeks today.

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Mickey: THE answer to your inquiry is - the 270 Winchester!

I am probably the only person on this thread that has actually killed all three species of Deer that you mention WITH a 270 Winchester Rifle!

I have also killed big Bull Elk, Black Bear, Antelope and world class Mt. Goat with my various 270 Winchester's!

ANYONE that berates the 270 Winchester for the type animals you have mentioned is WAY out of touch with reality.

Mark down anyones name that shows such poor judgement as that and call into question EVERYTHING such type person says!

I repeat - EVERYTHING!

Because they know not of which they speak!

Period!

The 270 Winchester is an exceptional round for the type game you mention and it does so without being heavy of recoil allowing for the Hunter to observe the effects/location of his shot and if need be allowing for even a quicker follow-up shot than many larger calibers.

Make no mistake the 270 Winchester will do an exceptional job at what you are asking to be done.

Long live the "exceptional" 270 Winchester cartridge!

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Mickey, You will be MUCH happier with your choice if you glass bed it before you even go to the range. In the past two years I have purchased two Savage rifles. A .223 Accutrigger sporter weight in wood and a used .270 standard trigger in the older tupperware stock. Both shot fairly well right off but groups on both were more than halved by glass bedding. In fact the .270 went from almost 2" to less than 3/4" with a bedding job. Both rifles are now under 3/4" for five shots at 100, I've actually put three in .69 with the 270 at 200. RD

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote mickey Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 November 2008 at 11:32
Ok-what the hell is glass bed-or has phraseology changed again-and cost involved-thanks
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I guess I disagree with Rocky on this one.  NEVER CHANGE IT IF IT AIN'T BROKE.

Take it to the range and shoot a box of shells, if it shoots for you clean it and put it in the rack and you have a winner.

Glass bedding is filling the gap between the stock and the barrel with fiberglass.  some time this can improve the shooting sometimes not.  Many people believe in the opposite, Free Floating.  that means removing and wood or fiberglass between the stock and the barrel.

I have rifles that a re wood bedded, glass bedded, free floating and pillar bedded.  No one fix to get the smallest possible group. Most people can't shoot as tight a group as there rifle can do.  So shoot it  and enjoy shooting first before doing anything.

Enjoy.

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ps if you want to know what pillar bedding is ask and we can explain that.

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Fella's;

Hmmmm, I don't recall myself ranting about the .270 in this thread.  One sentence giving good advice, that was it.  There was a rant, but I really don't believe it was mine.  And although I've been known to take in strays and orphans, I don't believe I'll adopt the rant.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rob1 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 November 2008 at 14:16

 Google glass bedding and you'll get a better idea. Just one link that came up..... http://www.rifleshootermag.com/gunsmithing/bedding_0304/

There are lots of variations on the same theme but the end goal is basically the same, a stress free fit between the action and the stock and or barreled action and stock.

 Nice choice on the .270. I've killed several mulies a few whitetails and couple elk with the cartridge and never felt the need for more gun.

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Originally posted by BEAR BEAR wrote:

I guess I disagree with Rocky on this one.  NEVER CHANGE IT IF IT AIN'T BROKE.

Take it to the range and shoot a box of shells, if it shoots for you clean it and put it in the rack and you have a winner.

+1 on this.

If you don't shoot it first, even if you decide to bed it, you wouldn't know if it made any difference.  People who know a lot more than me, will tell you this also.

Personally if it didn't group, I'd ask myself if it's me or the rifle, if I could say it was rifle, then I'd check scope, action screws, rings and bases first, then I'd try a couple different loads, then I would consider groups.  Are they all over place, vertical stringing, horizontal stringing? 

If it doesn't shoot an honest 2" group(I wouldn't expect 1/2" or less groups out of factory rifle),  I'd look for shooter(you said you'd had a long layoff right?) or rifle problems, it would be rare for bedding to be bad enough, to cause bigger groups than that.  Before I bedded it, I would ask someone else to shoot it for me or at least describe groups and maybe someone could give you suggestions.

Here's a link that lets you know what's involved to bed a rifle

http://www.6mmbr.com/pillarbedding.html there are other methods out there and may be better one's available, but this one is pretty through.

RC



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Once again,ya'll come thru. I will check the above sites,and do my homework. Scheduled to pick up the weapon on the 17th. 10 day policy here.

Thanks for all help 

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Hi all,

Well it's home-my Savage 111 .270,Nikon Buckmaster 4.5X14X40,and I'm tickled ignorant. Will head to the range this Saturday to site it in.

Will go with the 130gr Winchester Supreme E-Tip-also open to suggestions.

Yep-Xmas has come early

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Should do the job, the .270 and 130s, go together like peanut butter and jelly. 

I've shot win supreme before, though not with the unleaded bullet, if rifle doesn't like the win, try the federal prem, it may like it  better.  The price on them though WOW.  I don't know if you can get the white box win with the unleaded bullet, but the reg white box shoots pretty good for less than half the price.  You may be able to get some for practice and use the prem for hunting, your POA should be close, within 1" or less at 100 yds of POA of supreme loads.

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Originally posted by BEAR BEAR wrote:

I guess I disagree with Rocky on this one.  NEVER CHANGE IT IF IT AIN'T BROKE.

Take it to the range and shoot a box of shells, if it shoots for you clean it and put it in the rack and you have a winner.

Glass bedding is filling the gap between the stock and the barrel with fiberglass.  some time this can improve the shooting sometimes not.  Many people believe in the opposite, Free Floating.  that means removing and wood or fiberglass between the stock and the barrel.

I have rifles that a re wood bedded, glass bedded, free floating and pillar bedded.  No one fix to get the smallest possible group. Most people can't shoot as tight a group as there rifle can do.  So shoot it  and enjoy shooting first before doing anything.

Enjoy.

BEAR

 

ps if you want to know what pillar bedding is ask and we can explain that.

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Shoot it first and see how it works. If not well enough for your liking then worry about tuning it. Most Savages are for more accurate than the average hunter needs a rifle right out of the box.

As to your original ?.

I would have gone 308win in a Savage or Ruger moutain rifle. I like the short action rifles for deer and elk. Lighter and easy to carry all day, but that said you did fine and I wish all the greatest hunting in the world.

Enjoy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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