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Posted: 20 May 2004 at 14:05
Words is what people judge you by. Seems to me, if you cain't talk right, you outta not be talkin' at all. The topic said "Favorite Rifle", an' ended up as "Favorite Cartridge." Thet's one hell of a hair to split. Jus' so you know, my other pet peeve is people who use "caliber" and "cartridge" interchangeably.
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Posted: 20 May 2004 at 14:56
Of course MULE's correct here. In the purest sense of things, that is.
I guess there's a good sized group here at BSB's that's just a bit more adept at picking out the "intended" direction a topic is ment to take ... even with tricky or incorrect wording. And rather then wasting time pointing out these incorrections, they recognise the intention, and answer the question accordingly.
Some, on the other hand, are not so good at such things.
So ... MULE ... just for you. What would you consider to be the "best" antelope cartridge? You can identify the make and model rifle, if the desire grabs ya. Later. >> klallen
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Posted: 20 May 2004 at 15:59
mule- i understand what you are saying... i also understood the spirit of the originating post, and decided to answer according to the spirit of the post, rather than the black-letter wording.
your message starts out w/: "Words is what people judge you by. Seems to me, if you cain't talk right, you outta not be talkin' at all. "
kinda funny that you take pains to point that out, but deliberately take on the 'redneck' phonetic spelling as best as possible. i just find the irony amusing.
for the record... i think the finest antelope cartridge available would be one of the hot 25's - 25-06, 257 roy as examples. behind the hot 25's, i think the 264 would make an outstanding cartridge to knock dust off the goats. for the rifle, i doubt there is any better action than a bolt.
Hunting is not a matter of life or death; it is much more important than that.
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Posted: 21 May 2004 at 12:53
Best antelope cartridge? I'd say a .50 roundball fired from a Pennsylvania (AKA Kentucky) rifle. Them other rounds make it way too easy. Lope ain't much of a contest. A feller what can put the sneak on a solitary buck in open country and take him with a smokepole has got my respect. Now that is FUN!
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Posted: 21 May 2004 at 20:04
Emmmm, that's the "best" you could come up with?
No disrespect intended, but the mental image of you hunting antelope (anything of size, that is) up here on area 444 throwing .50 cal. roundballs at'm is a picture that put a smile on my face. To tell ya the truth, anyone that can put the sneak on an antelope who's made it through weeks of constant spooking by crazed bow hunters, using only prairie cactus that comes to your ankles as cover, while all the time avoiding the females strategically located for early warnings of danger gets my respect, no matter what they hunt with. Even roundballs .
Roundballs, antelope and area 444.
I gotta tell ya, all day up here in MT has been rainy and dreary. I needed something to lighten the mood. You sir, have done that and I thank you. >> klallen
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Posted: 22 May 2004 at 02:17
Well Klallen, I ain't got a .50 Kentucky rifle. I'll be chasin' lopes with a .54 plains rifle. Closest thing I got. I only got two guns, a M71 an' a .54 smokepole. All I need, I reckin'. The question was what's the best rifle, after all, don't mean I gotta have it in my closet.
Admittedly, we ain't got any of them cactuses to ruin belly-crawlin', but I hunted in Arizona fer years, an' it can be done. Them shin daggers was pure hell. But I figure injuns an' mountin' men et prarie goat before there was such things as scopes and metallic cartridges. Buffler hunters shot 'em with 45-70s, 49-90s and such. So it can be done, and it can be done in your country too I 'spect. You jus' gotta cowboy up a lil', an' don't be afeared of comin' up empty from time to time. If it were easy, it wouldn't be fun, now would it?
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Posted: 22 May 2004 at 04:33
"If it were easy, it wouldn't be fun, now would it?"
I suppose ya got a point there.
However, two years back was the first year I was able to draw a limited antelope tag for this prime area (444), after 8 years of applying. All else aside, for me anyway, it seems like the hardest part of antelope hunting is simply drawing the damn tag . Once drawn, I gotta stick with what I think can seal the deal best for me. Unfortunately, this does not include roundballs.
Still think it's the .264 WinMag. Hard to believe there's only one vote for my little sweet-heart. 7 & 6 for the two cartridges sandwiching it (.25-06 & .270), but my lone, single vote for the cartridge better then both of them. >> klallen
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Posted: 22 May 2004 at 09:40
Fella's;
Or, we can examine the other side of the coin. The best cartridge for any given hunter is the one that he has the most confidence in. For whatever reason that confidence has been given.
Examples might be: 'It's the most accurate gun I've got', It's never failed to kill something for me yet', 'The feng-shui priest told me to use it'. And so on.
Another viewpoint that's been raised is the difference between the cartridge itself and the firearm using it. My personal opinion is that killing an antelope using only the cartridge and not a firearm is more work than I want to get into. But, to each their own I always say. Personally I don't think, at my age, that I can throw the cartridge with enough force to kill a mockingbird, let alone an antelope. Frankly, I'd be interested in just how some folks do manage to kill antelope with the cartridge only, presuming it's in a legal fashion. Don't want anyone to incriminate themselves here & try to blame it on me.
Always willing to learn a different way of doing it ya know.
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Posted: 22 May 2004 at 13:42
I don't know fer sure, but I my common sense tells me that them roundballs will fly from a slingshot a hell of a lot better than a 264 WM round. Every year I hunted lopes with my .270, my season ended 1/2 hour after it started. I got this lil' honey hole where bucks lie around like beef cows on a hot day. I should say I USED to have a honey hole. Now that I'm a tater haid, I don't know where my freezer's gonna get its next fill of wild game from.
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Posted: 22 May 2004 at 14:38
"I don't know fer sure, but I my common sense tells me that them roundballs will fly from a slingshot a hell of a lot better than a 264 WM round."
"... will fly ... a hell of a lot better than a 264 WM round" from a rifle? How did sling-shots get involved in a cartridge "best" for antelope discussion?
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Posted: 22 May 2004 at 15:00
Klallen, I was joking with CB.Didn`t mean to get a debate going over it regarding a joke.I am an anonymous fan of the big .264 myself, but dont tell nobody,they`d think poorly of me for owning a .277 standard and liking that .264 magnum...Gene
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Posted: 22 May 2004 at 16:10
Hey TIMBERGHOZT >> Just went back to see what the side conversation between you and CB was all about. Guess I gotta pay attention to you fellers coming in under the radar. In reality though, MULE's post sounded like something he'd really say. 'Specially after saying a firearm using .50 cal roundballs was what he'd consider to be the "best" antelope catcher. Using sling-shots seemed the next logical progression. But now I see what he's saying. >> klallen
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Posted: 22 May 2004 at 16:19
lol Kllalen, no offense to Mule,but I`d rather use a 264 Win Magnum than a .50 or .54 smokepole or any blackpowder for that matter,hell I can throw rocks that far,lol Gene......
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. Once drawn, I gotta stick with what I think can seal the deal best for me. Unfortunately, this does not include roundballs.
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