Spot,

 Please elaborate on the failures. max

Friend of mine shoots them, he shot a coyote with one and found the jacket stuck under the skin, ok on a yote, not on a deer or elk.  I've actually seen them come off at the range from hitting paper!!! 

  Check shooters thread http://talk.hunters.com/room_157/Jan182002.cfm - http://talk.hunters.com/room_157/Jan182002.cfm

  I haven't and won't try the Ultra core-lokts.  The reason they made them was because of the horrible problems with the original core lokt separations.  I started checking remington components agains winchester a few years back. MAN, the were 2 to 4 times more times worse than winchesters.  I won't, don't and probably never will use remington components or ammo (except maybe heavy-shot).  Like I've said before, the reason why remington rilfes shoot so got is becasue they to engineer them to shoot remginton's crappy ammo well.  Put winchester ammo in a remington and you got a shooter.

Spot

Come now spot, dont be so hard on Remington. THey are trying to give ammo to the masses at an affordable price at places where they can buy guns, diapers, cloths, electronics, food, school supplies, tires, the list goes on.

NH_Hunter

Maybe i should stick with the silvertips. I put two in the same hole at 20 yards standing unsupported . It seems that in most cases, through my dad's testing, Rugers seem to like Remmie Core-Lokts. He has had quite a few Rugers pass through his hand. In hte 96/44 i had feeding problems with 220 grain Silvertips, but none with the 275 grain Core-Lokts . I think that lil combo might be my backup gun in my secret hunting place, seeing as .30-30's are not LEGAL in there.

NH_Hunter

I have never had problems with Core-Lokt bullets. Driving them at velocities they were designed for they have performed well. Not pushing Remington although they ARE my favoritest of today's manufacturers.

DC

Cartridge was an O6 loaded to the gill's (it likes hot loads), it's a 1950'5 to 60's 700ADL, steel butt plate (OUCH!).

  As far as hittin paper max, I've actually found core lok jackets in front of the target just sittin there!  Junk I tell ya!!!!  Ok, that may have been a bad bacth - but if you don't believe me search on google for core-lokt and separation and you'll find more links.  Larger bullets would be harder/easier to get separtated?

don't know, they do kill thousands of deer every year, but I try to make everything as reliable as possible so I skip over core lokt.

Spot

Spot,

 I was once part of a group of lower 48 quests at an outfitters house between Anchorage and Wasilla. The heated conversations that evening touched on boots, knives, scopes, binoculars, tents, backpacks, stoves, raingear,rifles, calibers and bullets. After a while our host left the room and shortly returned with a cigar box. It contained a double handfull of recovered bullets he had dug out of various beasts he had taken from various places around the world. Most were.......CORE-LOKTS!!!!! He had politely listened to us all go on  about our preferred bullets and marvelous magic handloads. He showed us what he mostly used. Factory '06 180s.

Maybe they have changed since then.

You have tough paper at your range. Tell me, how does one identify a Core-Lokt jacket , fired and shed of it's core of course, from the others?

I preferred Remington Powr-Lokt HPs in 6mm for a while for prairie dogs. Very explosive. Maybe that's what you saw??? max

Max,

   Not much accounting for what I saw, we picked up the jacket and compared it to the bullets my friend was shooting and it matched.  Heck of a thing, and the first time I have ever seen it happen.  About five years after that I saw the same thing over at the Lake city range in Missouri.  The front of the jacket rolled back about 30% of the way and it was laying in front of the target.  Now there is now way of it getting pulled off by the target so it had to come off in flight.  Beats the hell out of me how it could happen.  I have seen quiet a few core-lokts perform excellent on deer.  I don't know what the problem was on those occasions, its to bad the remington rep wasn't there that day.  Don't know if you ever shoot at lake city but the winchester and remington sales rep's both shoot there from time to time.  Man you want to see a "ford vs. chevy" conversation!

   I don't go there anymore, hey you don't shoot out at Mill Creek do you?  Anyway for the Remington Ammo, it may have changed but their components do have a greater standard deviation (or at least did 3-5 years ago was the last time I checked).  Personally, I've shot a couple of deer with Core-lokts and didn't have any problem.  But like I said I home rolled 90+ % of the time.

  Hey, just thinkin a bit, I don't get most the bullets I shot game with because it makes an exit hole as they pass through.  Do core-lokts typically stay in the critter?

  Spot

When my dad got a boar last year with his Savage 99 in .300 Savage, The 2 bullets stayed inside, but were pushing on the skin on the far side. I havent gotten a deer yet, so i couldnt tell you from personal experience!

NH_Hunter

NH,

   My personal prefference is to have the bullet exit and leave a nice blood trail.  Ones that blow up, and don't make it out can bleed into the cavity and leave no trail at all (not good).  With Mag's this isn't so bad because they usually drop so much energy into the critter the thing drops right away. 

   Either way, it's what you beleive in.  I trust the bullets I use, but I don't trust core-lokt's so I don't use them.  If I did, I might never have a problem with them, but I'd rather not worry about it at all.  Never had a nosler, or sierra let me down yet.  Even though this is the case I don't use BT's in my 300WSM unless its at longer ranges.  Guess I'm saying I'm extremely careful about what I shoot.

Spot

Klallen, you have never used Remington Factory ammo? THey have been making the core-lokts forever! I believe that the Core-Lokt ultra is a modernized core-lokt. I have some Remington Clean-Bore from the 50's or 60's that has, you guessed it, Remington Core-Lokts in it. Now, Winchester modernized their Silvertip, and called it the ballistic silvertip. So why are you dissing the Core-Lokt Ultra Spot?

NH_Hunter

NH,

   The ultra's should be OK they're bonded, the old core-lokts aren't.

You guy's need to go check for reports of shedd'ed jackets like I mentioned, or at least check out the shooters link that I was talking about above.  Even I don't beleive a single occurance warrents changing behavior.  But it was the damnedest thing I ever saw! 

Spot

"Klallen, you have never used Remington Factory ammo?"

Your question got me thinking, NH.  I don't shoot factory anything on game and only settle for factory when I'm anxious to shoot something new and don't have all the components in for reloading.  Handgun stuff mostly.  Had to check the small stash of factory rifle odds and ends that I've used and low 'n behold, I spied a green box.  Remington .264 WinMag ammo with the 140 gr. Core-Lokt Ptd. Soft Pt.  Was the first things I put through the Ruger M77 Mark II as I was waiting for my brass to come in.  As I recall, all bullets did fully penetrate my paper target.  All, that is, that fired.  4 of the 20 cartridges were mis-fires.  Strange.  Never had that happen with my reloads.  One more reason I'll never trust factory stuff in the field.  Later.  >>  klallen

You bunch of Goff's,

   I said I found the jackets in front of the target - the lead didn't bounce off.

Got to agree with KL thought I don't trust factory loads, and for me - especially remingtons - We need to get someone to buy Remington factory ammo, and then some winchester - Measure the OAL's, then spin both types - after that pull the bullets, weight the brass, powder, and bullets for variation, then finally check the case wall thickness and give us a report.  

Or we could load or own and call it good, better yet buy the one ya trust - or be rational and do some internet searching for jacket separation (ya bum!).   KL & Rob1 - bum comment wasn't meant fer you guy's.

As NH says - hehehehehe...

Spot

Spot

Spot,

 Re Mill Creek. Do they still have the 300 yard gong? max

Hey Spot, i know that Remington loads their 06 out farther than Winchester does, or did. I compared the two, and the remmies were longer. I cant really say that i trust core-lokts anymore because they shattered when they hit the wood. Well, two of them did. But the couple that my dad pulled out were mushroomed beautifully.

NH_Hunter

NH,

   Heck, I don't know - I only know what i've seen with my two eyes.

Max,

    For you this would be what I know with my own to hands, I picked up looked at and found out who's rounds that jacket came from.   

BTW - Your now on shakey ground fer accusing me of bein a lawyer there max.  I was just tryin to make sure I wasn't a single occasion - just about anything can happen once given in the millions of rounds that remi makes there will be a few bad ones.  I have had folks not like winchester shotgun primers and only use Remington's.  Heck, I can only tell ya what works for me, as far as I know the way I load keeps winchester from performing bad, someone else could load in a way that makes them bad.

Mill crk.  - the do still have 300 yd range, and 500 when they close down and shoot up from the lot.

 Spot

Don't know about the corelokts as i have never used much factory ammo period. ButI have to agree with spot about rem components they are crap.I had over 15 misfires in one batch of primers.Three neck seperations in one batch of 50 cases(that was on their first firing).Also that bunch of cases weighed in all over the place.

I'm not on my pat malone with these occurences.Hardly any shooter in my area uses remington reloading gear and very few rem factories.If you walk into our gun shops it's winchester and PMC that dominate the factories and win,lapua,norma and federal for reloading with some CCI primers.Have a good one macca.