Best alround cartridge
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Topic: Best alround cartridge
Posted By: BEAR
Subject: Best alround cartridge
Date Posted: 26 November 2024 at 12:12
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Thought it was time for this old question. what is your idea of the best "ALL_ROUND" big game cartridge. Figure we are talking only lower 48 states big game. Should be factory available loaded. What is you nomination and why??? ------------- “ The IQ and the life expectancy of the average American recently passed each other in opposite directions.” |
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Posted By: d4570
Date Posted: 26 November 2024 at 15:17
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3006 that's all I need to say. ------------- Remember: Four boxes keep us free ,the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box, AND the cartridge box |
Posted By: Wing master
Date Posted: 26 November 2024 at 17:02
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I agree with D. I have a 30-06 and haven't hunted with it for many years but if I was only able to keep one rifle that would be it. Bullet choice and availability of factory ammo are two strong points. If I'm not mistaken, you can get bullets anywhere from 110 grain up to over 200 grain. Theres a suitable bullet for anything you wanted to hunt with enough powder behind it to do the job. ------------- I have always considered myself to be quite the bullshitter, But ocasionally it is nice to sit back and listen to a true professional......So, Carry on. |
Posted By: d4570
Date Posted: 26 November 2024 at 17:15
I have shot coyotes and P dogs with a 110, '06 at 3500 fps. It's NOT fur friendly. ------------- Remember: Four boxes keep us free ,the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box, AND the cartridge box |
Posted By: Wing master
Date Posted: 26 November 2024 at 17:21
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Yeah I bet not. ------------- I have always considered myself to be quite the bullshitter, But ocasionally it is nice to sit back and listen to a true professional......So, Carry on. |
Posted By: BEAR
Date Posted: 03 December 2024 at 09:55
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Only had one '06. Just sold it to DD. replaced it with a 7 mag. The '06 and 270 would certainly be in my top picks. But I think the 338 Federal would be at the top of my list. compact, based on 308 brass, and shoot 180-250 gr. Certainly the 338 Federal is not popular
------------- “ The IQ and the life expectancy of the average American recently passed each other in opposite directions.” |
Posted By: Wing master
Date Posted: 03 December 2024 at 14:01
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That would be a good choice too. What is a useable range with the .338 Federal? ------------- I have always considered myself to be quite the bullshitter, But ocasionally it is nice to sit back and listen to a true professional......So, Carry on. |
Posted By: d4570
Date Posted: 03 December 2024 at 14:58
The boy shoots that sometimes, he thinks 200/250 yards is about right. ------------- Remember: Four boxes keep us free ,the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box, AND the cartridge box |
Posted By: Wing master
Date Posted: 05 December 2024 at 20:13
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That's a cartridge we could use in this area. ------------- I have always considered myself to be quite the bullshitter, But ocasionally it is nice to sit back and listen to a true professional......So, Carry on. |
Posted By: BEAR
Date Posted: 07 December 2024 at 10:38
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Heavy bullets do kick. That is why the 6.5 has become popular ------------- “ The IQ and the life expectancy of the average American recently passed each other in opposite directions.” |
Posted By: Wing master
Date Posted: 07 December 2024 at 21:41
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I've had great luck hunting with my 6.5X55. I've killed antelope, Deer, elk, and lots of prairie dogs and a few rabbits with it. When we were together IBD even shot a rattle snake with it. It really is nice to shoot. I've shot 50-60 rounds at a prairie dog town and didn't have a sore shoulder afterwords. ------------- I have always considered myself to be quite the bullshitter, But ocasionally it is nice to sit back and listen to a true professional......So, Carry on. |
Posted By: BEAR
Date Posted: 08 December 2024 at 12:24
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Once in MT I shot two PDs with one shot. lined them up. Took 2nd rats head clean off with my 6.5-08 ------------- “ The IQ and the life expectancy of the average American recently passed each other in opposite directions.” |
Posted By: Wing master
Date Posted: 08 December 2024 at 14:45
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That's good shootin Bear. ------------- I have always considered myself to be quite the bullshitter, But ocasionally it is nice to sit back and listen to a true professional......So, Carry on. |
Posted By: d4570
Date Posted: 08 December 2024 at 19:10
YUP I think I seen that.  ------------- Remember: Four boxes keep us free ,the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box, AND the cartridge box |
BEAR wrote:Posted By: BEAR
Date Posted: 09 December 2024 at 10:41
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Could have been luck? A few years ago, I was shooting a lot of pistol. Hunting I used a T/C contender in 30 Herret. Once it stalked up on Groundhog in a wheat field, keeping a round bale between me and it. When I got to the bale, I could see a second one about 30 yards farther. I line it up with the first one not knowing if the 120gr bullet would deflect. BINGO, two for one. But groundhogs are 8 times bigger than PDs. fun stuff...and memory trophies. ------------- “ The IQ and the life expectancy of the average American recently passed each other in opposite directions.” |
Posted By: Wing master
Date Posted: 09 December 2024 at 11:26
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Stories like that make great memories. ------------- I have always considered myself to be quite the bullshitter, But ocasionally it is nice to sit back and listen to a true professional......So, Carry on. |
Posted By: BEAR
Date Posted: 12 December 2024 at 08:29
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Almost in the class with great fish that got away!!!! ------------- “ The IQ and the life expectancy of the average American recently passed each other in opposite directions.” |
Posted By: BEAR
Date Posted: 12 December 2024 at 09:45
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Doing annual cleaning of all guns. looking at my 257 roberts bought in 1977. At the time I thought it was best all round varmint/deer rifle. Still seems to fit that class pretty well. ------------- “ The IQ and the life expectancy of the average American recently passed each other in opposite directions.” |
Posted By: Wing master
Date Posted: 12 December 2024 at 20:38
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I'm a big fan of the .257 Roberts. My twin daughters have matching Winchester model 70 Featherweights in .257 Roberts. my daughter shot an elk at 452 yards with hers. It ran about 30-40 yards. It's hard to argue with that. ------------- I have always considered myself to be quite the bullshitter, But ocasionally it is nice to sit back and listen to a true professional......So, Carry on. |
Posted By: BEAR
Date Posted: 15 December 2024 at 09:43
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Maybe we need a 25 Creedmor???? ------------- “ The IQ and the life expectancy of the average American recently passed each other in opposite directions.” |
Posted By: Wing master
Date Posted: 15 December 2024 at 17:43
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.25 Creedmoor might be really interesting. I wonder if it would do anything the .257 Roberts can't do? I'd have to look back in my notebook but I load the Roberts 117 grain Sierra Gameking to 2800 fps. The 6.5 Creedmoor is running around 2700 with a 140 grain bullet. How fast would it be with a 117 grain .257 bullet? It would be interesting to put it through Quickload and see what it said. ------------- I have always considered myself to be quite the bullshitter, But ocasionally it is nice to sit back and listen to a true professional......So, Carry on. |
Posted By: BEAR
Date Posted: 16 December 2024 at 07:08
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The case capacity of a .257 Roberts cartridge is approximately 42 grains of water; it is essentially a 7x57mm Mauser case necked down to accept a .257 diameter bullet, making it a "quarter-bore" cartridge with a relatively moderate case capacity compared to other hunting rounds. http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" rel="nofollow - http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" viewBox="0 0 24 24"> The case capacity of a 6.5 Creedmoor cartridge is 52.5 grains of water (approximately 3.40 cubic centimeters). That is a lot of extra case capacity, powder. Note the 25-06 has 62 gr capacity. ------------- “ The IQ and the life expectancy of the average American recently passed each other in opposite directions.” |
Posted By: Wing master
Date Posted: 16 December 2024 at 20:10
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That is very interesting. I've done a little reading and it seems that a few people beat us to this idea. From what I've read the people that have done it really like it. ------------- I have always considered myself to be quite the bullshitter, But ocasionally it is nice to sit back and listen to a true professional......So, Carry on. |
Posted By: MapleHill
Date Posted: 20 December 2024 at 10:14
| I would be hard pressed to find one more perfect than a 308. Although the 280 has always worked very well also. I don't have a 30-06 or 270 anymore, nothing against them and probably will have them again |
Posted By: Wing master
Date Posted: 20 December 2024 at 20:10
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MapleHill I thought about the .308 before I said 30-06. I can see why you said .308. It will do anything I need a rifle for. And it has the same amount of bullet choices. ------------- I have always considered myself to be quite the bullshitter, But ocasionally it is nice to sit back and listen to a true professional......So, Carry on. |
Posted By: BEAR
Date Posted: 21 December 2024 at 07:23
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First new rifle I got was a Rem 700 in 308, back in 1962. Was taking it as my night leopard rifle, and the barrel finally got shot out. It went from sub MOA to a 4" group withing a few boxes. 308 does it all. You can load it down to 30-30 levels; my kid shot his first deer with that rifle loaded with light 125 gr.
------------- “ The IQ and the life expectancy of the average American recently passed each other in opposite directions.” |
Posted By: Irish Bird Dog
Date Posted: 03 March 2025 at 23:06
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Anybody remember when CB's son-in-law shot two gophers with his bow/arrow???????...one arrow & two gophers impaled on it.  opps...think I got this in wrong post...but question still stands I guess. Anyone remember???? ------------- Irish Bird Dog NRA Life/Endowment 2nd Amendment Supporter |
Posted By: BEAR
Date Posted: 04 March 2025 at 08:58
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Sure he is a great shot. And he has the patience to wait for two to line up... sort of a Quigley shot! Actually, that guy got a lot of gopher everyday. How are you doing IBD? any great adventures?? ------------- “ The IQ and the life expectancy of the average American recently passed each other in opposite directions.” |
Posted By: Wing master
Date Posted: 04 March 2025 at 11:58
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I remember that too. He shot a lot of PD's that day. I do have a question though. Do gophers carry diseases like prairie dogs? I'm sure he knew what he was doing but I would have been concerned about getting the plague. ------------- I have always considered myself to be quite the bullshitter, But ocasionally it is nice to sit back and listen to a true professional......So, Carry on. |
Posted By: BEAR
Date Posted: 04 March 2025 at 16:03
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Gophers are worse. Bubonic plague.! quite common. an infectious disease caused by the bacterium Yersinia pestis which is on the fleas on gophers. they bite up, bingo ------------- “ The IQ and the life expectancy of the average American recently passed each other in opposite directions.” |
Posted By: Wing master
Date Posted: 04 March 2025 at 17:32
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I don't think I'll be bow hunting gophers any time soon. ------------- I have always considered myself to be quite the bullshitter, But ocasionally it is nice to sit back and listen to a true professional......So, Carry on. |
Posted By: stinky
Date Posted: 23 March 2025 at 00:26
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If I remember correctly, Jack O'Connor shot 6 Griz w/the '06. Tis the upper limit of recoil of what most shooters can tolerate. The .308 and '06 cases, are about the same (I said about). Anything smaller than .30 is light on Griz....or so I hear. .27 caliber works good on Javelina to Elk....the only problem is that it bruises them to much when they fall to the ground after getting lifted off their feet by the bullet. ------------- John 14:6 |
Posted By: BEAR
Date Posted: 23 March 2025 at 07:44
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Right on Stinky, I'd say the 270 is light on Elk, the minimum. My giz rifles are 338 and 416 RM. I like 'more gun" for things that will hurt me. Shooting and hunting in the 1960-90 era, I'd say shooters then could easily handle the '06. (maybe conditioned with an M! rifle) But today. as you say Stinky, Most think a standard rifle cartridge is 223, and a 6.5 Creedmore is as much recoil that the average hunter can "handle'. (maybe AR conditioned.) ------------- “ The IQ and the life expectancy of the average American recently passed each other in opposite directions.” |
Posted By: Wing master
Date Posted: 23 March 2025 at 11:56
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I always thought the .270 was the minimum for elk until the year my dad had shoulder surgery and was worried about shooting his 30-06 or .270. He borrowed my daughters .257 Roberts. He shot an average sized cow with it and it kinda humped it's back up, took a few steps and went down. After that everyone in the family wanted to use that gun and I saw it drop several more elk in similar fashion. I've shot 2 elk with a 6.5 and my grandaughter shot an elk with a 6.5 Creedmoor. They were all good shots and clean kills. ------------- I have always considered myself to be quite the bullshitter, But ocasionally it is nice to sit back and listen to a true professional......So, Carry on. |
Posted By: BEAR
Date Posted: 23 March 2025 at 12:25
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Good shot placement is the first and most important tthing ------------- “ The IQ and the life expectancy of the average American recently passed each other in opposite directions.” |
Posted By: Wing master
Date Posted: 24 March 2025 at 16:19
This ^^^ 100% ------------- I have always considered myself to be quite the bullshitter, But ocasionally it is nice to sit back and listen to a true professional......So, Carry on. |