Interesting Protection gun
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Topic: Interesting Protection gun
Posted By: Guests
Subject: Interesting Protection gun
Date Posted: 26 March 2011 at 00:54
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Always looking at guns, especially something special. The 351PD caught my eye as the ideal Personal Defense weapon. This is Especially suited for a non-shooting wife. It is super light, 11 oz. enough power for a defensive gun with a cylinder full. No safety, levers, magzine releases to confuse or remember, just point and shoot. The Hi-viz sight come up fst ad look great. Might have to get some on my 442. Seems the gun has been out a few years, but I've not seen them. I suspect that the public wants MORE POWER!!!!
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_764925_-1_757768_757767_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y - http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Produc t4_750001_750051_764925_-1_757768_757767_757751_ProductDispl ayErrorView_Y |
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Posted By: Irish Bird Dog
Date Posted: 26 March 2011 at 01:19
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"The Hi-viz sight come up fst ad look great. Might have to get some on my 442." so says the Bear.... pick on brer Bear day....why do you need a hi-viz sight on a "belly" gun????  As you said in another post self defense guns are close range, 20yd or less......point & shoot....at close range sights are a mute point .......2" or less bbl has darn short sighting radius anyway.....best accuracy at 7yds most likely....the hi-viz sights need light to "glow" so no help in the dark...at "belly" gun distances again just point and shoot...instinctive shooting...kinda like pointing your finger. ....center mass....the object of your intentions with a short bbl gun. more..."enough power for a defensive gun with a cylinder full. This from a Bear who advocates only loading 4 rds in his 5 rd cylinder in his own personal defense .38 SPL......  gun ad glitch in picture vs ad type below
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------------- Irish Bird Dog NRA Life/Endowment 2nd Amendment Supporter |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 26 March 2011 at 04:00
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Shooters have problems with combat close or far shooting. In a stressful action, we work on instinct. And a shooters instinct is to see sights. It has been so many years that I've shoot competition that I doubt I could look across a barrel without looking for the sights (delay). Also the glow sight can be used to practice at range work. As I said, "perfect for the non-shooting wife". I believe the rear sight is just the standard J-frame U notch; and as you point out the ad is probably wrong. Don't you think it is perfect defense weapon for a non-shooting wife (never get a girl-friend a gun)??? |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 26 March 2011 at 04:12
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Should have mentioned my love with the high=Vis sights. About 10 years ago I lost sight in my right eye (diabetes) after some time and laser treatments, I slowly gained about 50% back. Even the diabetes changes my sight on a day-to-day basis. Most days I can shoot right handed. but the overall sight loss, made my brain(that little thing pickled in vodka) switch me from right eye dominance to left eye dominance. On rifles that doesn't matter. But on shotguns where I shoot right handed my left eye takes over. This results in cross shooting, and my pattern always goes to the right of the target. My left eye is looking across my body to the sight or tip of the barrel, even when I just point and shoot. To overcome that problem I've found a high- vis sight made by EASY SIGHT is nothing short of fantastic. I now have them on all my shotguns. The sight glass is n a hollow tube, so you only see red when you are looking with your right eye and you right eye is centered on the stock. http://www.tomknapp.net/news/detail.php?ID=21 - http://www.tomknapp.net/news/detail.php?ID=21
I even put an Easy Hit sight on my Zouve rifle (really looks out of place) but I hunt with it for deer. works for me. |
Posted By: Kingpin
Date Posted: 26 March 2011 at 04:16
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Actually the average gunfight takes place at 12 feet or less with 1.8 rounds expended. Snub nose revolvers are great decievers in the accuracy department. Most S&W snubbies I have shot are very accurate at great distances, not that I would want to engage a target at 75 yards with one though, but at that distance, they are a lot better than a sharp stick. For their intended purpose, they are a fist full of dynamite. On the Hi Vis sights, I am not a subscriber and have tried them on several guns with not a lotof satisfaction. Guys like them and that's OK too, just not for me.................Kingpin ------------- There are times when a normal man must, spit in his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. |
Posted By: Rockydog
Date Posted: 26 March 2011 at 05:37
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Speaking of S&W snubbies at long range...... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tied-t1fFsk - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tied-t1fFsk ------------- When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty. Thomas Jefferson |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 26 March 2011 at 05:56
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certainly a humble guy "The Fastest Gun Who Ever Lived" . Wonder how he knows he is faster than all those Western guys in the 1870-1920? But it is a good shot. We shoot our 38 snubbies into the river when the ice has broken up. Lots of small chunks floating down. Seems my brother's Colt Cobra is always the most accurate at 200-300 yards no matter who shoots it. Might be the long handle/grips? |
Posted By: CB900F
Date Posted: 26 March 2011 at 09:20
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Fella's; I'm extremely suspicious of this gun. Here's the blurb from a for sale site: Type : Revolver Action : Single / Double Caliber : 22 Magnum Barrel Length : 1 7/8 Capacity : 7 rd Safety : No Manual Grips : Wood Sights : Fixed Weight : 10.8 oz Finish : Matte Black. Smith & Wessons line of rimfire revolvers is the perfect choice for competition, plinking and small game hunting. The small J-frame 351 Airlite is built on an aluminum alloy frame and includes a low profile non reflective black matte finish for excellent concealed carry and light gathering HiViz sights for maximum effectiveness in difficult lighting situations.
No manual grips! Does that mean you can't put your hand on the gun!! And the wood sights. I mean, we're talking seriously fragile here I think. What happened to the Hi-Vis? Or are we talking wooden Hi-Vis?? Will it shoot seven times before the safety engages? Or do you pull the trigger eight times before it shoots! This is a question I want answered before even considering this weird thing!!
As I said, I don't think this is the gun for me. And that's a big FO-SURE!
900F ------------- Birth certificate!? He don't need no steenkink birth certificate!! |
Posted By: Rockydog
Date Posted: 26 March 2011 at 14:01
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CB, Obviously, commas are important in the written language. RD ------------- When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty. Thomas Jefferson |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 26 March 2011 at 14:44
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foo if you read it that way...then it has wood sights!!!!!!
Put the Knob Creek away. |
Posted By: Wing master
Date Posted: 26 March 2011 at 15:01
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I kinda like it. Course I have a new found love for Smith & Wesson. A .22 mag might not be the most powerful round, but I wouldn't want to be on the business end of one. I wonder if it is one that can be had without the internal lock? Wing master ------------- I have always considered myself to be quite the bullshitter, But ocasionally it is nice to sit back and listen to a true professional......So, Carry on. |
Posted By: Dennis Keith
Date Posted: 27 March 2011 at 05:48
| Nobody is looking (yet) so why would anybody want to be using one of those internal locks on a self defense pistol to begin with? |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 27 March 2011 at 06:54
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They seem to want to put locks on everything. Unless you take your own gun lock, most stores will NOT sell you a gun. So now most rifles/handguns are shipped with a free gun lock. |
Posted By: Irish Bird Dog
Date Posted: 27 March 2011 at 10:47
that must a PA thing....maybe just anti-gun Pittsburgh ...never heard of it here in the midwest....about stores not selling you a gun without you having your own gun lock....but , yes, it seems as if new guns either have a built in gun lock/hammer or firing pin block (referred to as a safety device by the lawyers) or come with a padlock/cable type from factory......oh, BTW, I bet that free gun lock ain't really FREE..... ------------- Irish Bird Dog NRA Life/Endowment 2nd Amendment Supporter |
BEAR wrote:Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 27 March 2011 at 11:32
KImber gives you one free. I see it in NY and in Florida also. I'm sure once Wi gets into the 21 century they will see it also.
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 27 March 2011 at 11:38
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FYI Child Safety Lock Act (passed in 2005) went into effective on April 24, 2006. http://www.atf.gov/press/releases/2006/04/042106-openletter-ffl-child-safety-locks.html - http://www.atf.gov/press/releases/2006/04/042106-openletter- ffl-child-safety-locks.html |
Posted By: Dennis Keith
Date Posted: 27 March 2011 at 13:15
| I guess I'll have to stick to "antiques" because I sure don't like all this business about locks on firearms. |
Posted By: Irish Bird Dog
Date Posted: 27 March 2011 at 14:11
yah, Dennis but you can't escape the locks on guns.....antiques and clones/replicas have not escaped the "locks" either....for example I a few long guns with locks that are replicas of older firearms...and they came with factory locks on them.... ... a flintLOCK and a capLOCK, ....... and Bear I bet Kimber figured the cost of that safety lock into the price someplace..... ------------- Irish Bird Dog NRA Life/Endowment 2nd Amendment Supporter |
Posted By: Wing master
Date Posted: 27 March 2011 at 14:49
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I was refering to the lock built into most new Smith &Wesson revolvers. It requires a "key" to lock and unlock. Kinda like the Remington "J" lock. My carry gun, a model 60 S&W HAD an internal lock, but being the kind of guy I am I removed it and found a machinest that makes a plug to fill the hole left when the lock has been removed. Looks almost like a gun without a lock, and I don't have to worry about the gun being locked at a time when I might need it for self defence. I would post a picture of a gun with the lock, but whenever anyone takes a picture of a S&W with one they put that side down so they don't have to look at the ugly thing. Wing master ------------- I have always considered myself to be quite the bullshitter, But ocasionally it is nice to sit back and listen to a true professional......So, Carry on. |
Posted By: Kingpin
Date Posted: 29 March 2011 at 10:20
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I've not seen wooden sights on a revolver. I wonder why they did that?...................................Kingpin ------------- There are times when a normal man must, spit in his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. |
Posted By: RobertMT
Date Posted: 29 March 2011 at 11:13
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I was going to say, the only one I've bought lately that didn't have lock with it was Bushmaster, but I then remembered, a few new rifles didn't have them. I think all the pistols/revolvers, I've bought in last five years, have had them infernal locks on them, I don't think they can slip, to the locked position though. Now back to the subject at hand, carry pistols. My daughter loves to shoot both my 38s, I've tried to give her, either one for carry, car, or for house, she doesn't want to carry "because she could never shoot anyone". She however will shoot the heck out of them, up to and including 1911, but doesn't want carry and be forced to shoot anyone. SIL carries and has house gun, she won't shoot either of them, she says they're too loud and scary. I told her that, if she won't use it, don't carry it. She may change her ideas on that now, that she has a little guy around to protect. She's ok with the fact, that SIL will use it for protection, if necessary, she just won't. Am I right about, if she won't use it, she shouldn't carry it? ------------- Want to stop Drunk Drivers, from Killing Sober Drivers? Ban Sober Drivers from Driving. That's how Gun Control Works. NRA Benefactor Life, GOA Patriot, SAF |
Posted By: Irish Bird Dog
Date Posted: 29 March 2011 at 15:19
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"Am I right about, if she won't use it, she shouldn't carry it?" It has always been said don't pull a gun if you don't intend to shoot to protect yourself or others.....I guess the same could be said about the carry part.....You have to have your mind made up to shoot B4 you need to "pull the carry out"..... ------------- Irish Bird Dog NRA Life/Endowment 2nd Amendment Supporter |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 30 March 2011 at 01:33
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Carry weapons are great deterrents and confidence builders. But I certain agree don't pull it out till you have made up your mind to use it if necessary. Life is not a movie. As Clint and others on TV like to talk the bad guy to death. If you are up against a bad guy, especially if you are female, the other person is probably better able to take your gun away from you and use it on you or at least put it where the son doesn't shine. Any dangerous situation in which you might have violence, you should have been trying to back out of it way before you show a piece. Overall, I do not believe most people should carry CCW. they lack the skill and mental condition to properly use a weapon. I do know guys whose wives are nice people, but I wouldn't trust them with and electric carving knife or at an auto accident scene; they freak if the kid cuts his hand. When they ask what gun they should get their wives, i recommend mace/pepper spray. Remember these women are not in any dangerous condition or life style. The husband usually gets a 9mm!!! Everyone has the right to carry, many people just shouldn't. for them, it is safer to not carry. |
Posted By: Kingpin
Date Posted: 30 March 2011 at 05:38
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You hit it on the head Bear, but, in most cases just the known presence of a handgun with the victim is a deterrant. I say that because the NRA states that about 2 million crimes are deterred because the crook sees the gun and goes someplace else to ply his trade. Were it up to me, EVERYONE would be carrying, crooks and all. Much like the turn of the 19th century. Virtually everyone had a gun in their pocket. It didn't stop crime entirely, but society was more polite.....................................Kingpin Here's the edit: Locks on guns are a joke and probably thought up by well meaning shitheads. The best gun lock is, EDUCATION!!! ------------- There are times when a normal man must, spit in his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. |
Posted By: RobertMT
Date Posted: 30 March 2011 at 08:43
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My daughter does carry pepper spray, she has since about fourth grade, bus stop was 1/2 mile away and she had to walk herself and sister to and from bus. She would leave it stashed at bus stop, while at school and retrieve it before walking home. It was more for the possibility of dogs, bears or mt lion, than for people. In winter kids have to walk to and from bus in dark and in winter mt lions are feeding on deer in area. In spring and fall, bears are in area, mostly blacks, but sometime griz. She decided to "test" spray one day, just a quick spray, she found out it stings, when wind blows mist back at you. She has never "tested" it again, but she still carries it and for her it's probably a better choice than CCW. I've suggested taser to her, she said it could be just as fatal as a gun, so she doesn't want one either. ------------- Want to stop Drunk Drivers, from Killing Sober Drivers? Ban Sober Drivers from Driving. That's how Gun Control Works. NRA Benefactor Life, GOA Patriot, SAF |
Posted By: Kingpin
Date Posted: 30 March 2011 at 10:10
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There was a news show sometime back and it was about pepper spray. They came to the conclusion that spraying an attacker with it pisses him off even more, for what it's worth. Keep in mind, you can't rape a .38..................Kingpin ------------- There are times when a normal man must, spit in his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. |
Posted By: Irish Bird Dog
Date Posted: 30 March 2011 at 14:17
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"for what it's worth".........I don't think a tv news show is worth all that much......I know personally several people who have taken hits with the pepper type sprays in LEO training programs and they are convinced it is a deterrent....I put more stock in that type of first hand type of info/confirmation than most any tv news show. The idea is to hit the face hard/heavy to take out the vision/eyes and maybe affect the breathing, with the product to be effective. My 2cents worth. ------------- Irish Bird Dog NRA Life/Endowment 2nd Amendment Supporter |
Posted By: Wing master
Date Posted: 30 March 2011 at 16:07
You are exactly right Bear. My wife hasn't decided she will take another human life if nessassary. She doesn't carry. I on the other hand decided many years ago I have no problem taking the life of someone that intends on causing harm to me or any member of my family or anything I have worked my ass off my whole life for. No Hesitation. Wing master ------------- I have always considered myself to be quite the bullshitter, But ocasionally it is nice to sit back and listen to a true professional......So, Carry on. |
Posted By: RobertMT
Date Posted: 30 March 2011 at 21:10
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I've been maced and pepper sprayed, I would much rather be maced. I agree, you can continue fighting through either, if you have your adrenaline up. But you ain't getting "it" up, with a face full of pepper spray. ------------- Want to stop Drunk Drivers, from Killing Sober Drivers? Ban Sober Drivers from Driving. That's how Gun Control Works. NRA Benefactor Life, GOA Patriot, SAF |
Posted By: Kingpin
Date Posted: 31 March 2011 at 03:35
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Personally, I don't put much stock on news shows either, but it WAS a small woman and the guy taking her purse was very big. His quote was, "She really pissed me off when she sprayed me, I wanted to beat the hell out of her." The demo was a controlled experiment, and the actors WERE police officers, so I can see where the doubt comes from. NOW!! That being said, if she had hit him with a .38, there would be no more talk about anyone beating anyone. For my money, I'll depend on a .38 and leave the pepper for seasoning or eating......................Kingpin ------------- There are times when a normal man must, spit in his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. |
Posted By: RobertMT
Date Posted: 31 March 2011 at 09:14
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"That being said, if she had hit him with a .38, there would be no more talk about anyone beating anyone." What if she just took the 38 out and waved it around, because she didn't want to shoot him, would he just grab 38 from her or would he run away? The point I was trying to make was, if you ain't prepared to use it, leave it home. I know she wouldn't use it, so that's not an option for her, she would however use pepper spray and while it would not as effective as a 38, it would be better than nothing. ------------- Want to stop Drunk Drivers, from Killing Sober Drivers? Ban Sober Drivers from Driving. That's how Gun Control Works. NRA Benefactor Life, GOA Patriot, SAF |
Posted By: Kingpin
Date Posted: 31 March 2011 at 10:56
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That's a gimme Robert. I suppose she could also have worn her keys in her palm and used them as brass knuckles. I believe that carrying a gun is a personal thing. Stun guns work but the attacker has to be so close that it's iffy that you can get the thing into action. TASERS are light years better than any of the other stuff, not firearm related. Anything having to do with guns has got to be reenforced with practice, practice, practice. Did I mention practice?...........................Kingpin ------------- There are times when a normal man must, spit in his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. |
Posted By: Irish Bird Dog
Date Posted: 31 March 2011 at 15:02
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Right on.....Practice is the KEY to carrying.....along with a predetermined mind set to shoot if you need to pull the piece......carrying is definitely not for everyone......
------------- Irish Bird Dog NRA Life/Endowment 2nd Amendment Supporter |
Posted By: Muleskinner
Date Posted: 14 April 2011 at 12:18
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I've gone to a standard XS dot on my carry piece. Even my range pistol has a wide notch rear to accommodate my pukey peepers. The dot is fast. All you gotta do is line that baby up and the brain does the rest. I'll be going to the BIG Dot version with a couple more eye doctor appointments, I'm sure. ------------- Mule |
Posted By: BobR
Date Posted: 16 April 2011 at 21:20
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Let's eat, Grandma. vs. Let's eat grandma. Make you look at those commas a little better now, doesn't it? bob
------------- Sarcasm......Just one more service I offer! |