I’m Gonna Be Smithing.
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Topic: I’m Gonna Be Smithing.
Posted By: CB900F
Subject: I’m Gonna Be Smithing.
Date Posted: 27 December 2010 at 14:01
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Fella's; After some research, I've decided to do some up-grades on the CZ's. I've ordered a tool to make taking the bolt apart much easier, and there's a reason for that. It was both inexpensive ($10.00) and handy. I'm replacing the firing pin springs in the guns. I'm also replacing the screws that hold the action to the stock with allen headed units. It really is much easier to get a repeatable torque value with the allen head screws than it is with the slotted heads for flat blade screwdrivers. Besides, there's a lot less chance of slipping & having a flat blade screwdriver bit go skating across a blued finish, or worse yet, nice walnut. The stuff is coming from Boise Idaho, so the shipping time should only be a coupla days maximum. OTOH, we are dealing with Mr. Obama's very own postal (sorta) service. In any case, I regard the cost as moderate for the improvements and am anxiously awaiting the chance to fuss with my guns. 900F ------------- Birth certificate!? He don't need no steenkink birth certificate!! |
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Posted By: Irish Bird Dog
Date Posted: 27 December 2010 at 15:01
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so why are you replacing the firing pin springs???? Do I a
have a problem in the making????  ------------- Irish Bird Dog NRA Life/Endowment 2nd Amendment Supporter |
Posted By: CB900F
Date Posted: 27 December 2010 at 16:05
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IBD; I waded through a very extensive thread about ignition/accuracy on Rimfire Central. Considering the very modest cost of the spring & bolt tool, I decided to do it on my guns. I know of no reason whatsoever that you'd have a problem with your gun if you don't do it. The whole idea is to increase the accuracy of the CZ452 platform. Reliability is not an issue according to the many pages I went through. The really nice thing is that it does not affect the trigger pull, just the firing pin strike force. 900F ------------- Birth certificate!? He don't need no steenkink birth certificate!! |
Posted By: Irish Bird Dog
Date Posted: 27 December 2010 at 16:54
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Interesting.........does the gain ie increased accuracy
come from faster lock time??? Keep us posted as to how it goes and if you can tell any difference in accuracy after the spring change. Wolf spring or Brownell's or ???? Never mind....I hopped over to the rimfire central site and found it is J&P springs...must be custom outfit as I never heard of them...been reading some of the posts..shor are some great testimonials out there for the spring change out....gunna be a long read....but then it's gunna be a long winter too.....take care CB & thanks for mentioning this bit...now is the tool named out there or do you have to get that info for me???? NEVER MIND...JUMPED BACK OVER THERE AND FOUND THAT INFO TOO. ------------- Irish Bird Dog NRA Life/Endowment 2nd Amendment Supporter |
Posted By: Irish Bird Dog
Date Posted: 27 December 2010 at 17:42
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cb...THAT site over at rimfire central is
interesting....sure makes factory springs seem pretty poorly.... ------------- Irish Bird Dog NRA Life/Endowment 2nd Amendment Supporter |
Posted By: CB900F
Date Posted: 28 December 2010 at 01:56
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IBD; I certainly think that the factory firing pin spring is good enough for general use. Some of the BRNO's, made in the fifties, are almost certainly using the same spring and they're still going strong. But, considering the improvements in accuracy that are possible for under $25.00 (spring, plus bolt tool, plus shipping) I think it's worth trying. I got a set of the action screws too, which about doubled the amount, but what the hell, ya know? 900F ------------- Birth certificate!? He don't need no steenkink birth certificate!! |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 28 December 2010 at 01:58
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Posted By: Irish Bird Dog
Date Posted: 28 December 2010 at 09:17
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I watched one of the videos posted on that thread and it
showed using a valve cap from a tire as the "tool" to push the end of the bolt on to get it apart....worked too....a good review of how to disassemble the bolt & back again. Parts of that thread also said (by the J&B guy) that the factory springs take a set and get "shorter" ie weaker over time. So, if that is true than surely would be worthwhile to do the spring change out. They also polished the mating parts too. Let me know how yours turns out. ------------- Irish Bird Dog NRA Life/Endowment 2nd Amendment Supporter |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 28 December 2010 at 11:14
| I'm not changing the springs in my BRNO!!!! |
Posted By: CB900F
Date Posted: 28 December 2010 at 12:58
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Bear; So what BRNO you got? I gotta warn you, if you go over to Rimfire Central & get in the CZ/BRNO site, you'll find you why we refer to it as "the ward".
------------- Birth certificate!? He don't need no steenkink birth certificate!! |
Posted By: CB900F
Date Posted: 31 December 2010 at 11:36
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Fella's; Today, I changed out the firing pin springs in my CZ452's. Using the Bolt Buddy was a small chore, but not difficult to figure out. I didn't find the video I located to be a great deal of help. Fortunately, if you're mechanically inclined, it doesn't take a whole lot of thought to figure it out. Now, on to changing out the action screws. And that's such a minor process that it needs no further mention. What I am gonna do, is wait for warmer weather before going to the range! It's damn cold out there with a whole bunch of snow on the ground. I got a solid drift up against my back door that's almost as high as the window! And that's in a sheltered patio area too. 900F ------------- Birth certificate!? He don't need no steenkink birth certificate!! |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 31 December 2010 at 20:27
| CB, I have a Brno Brunner Model ZH349, double rifle. It is in 8x57 jrs which is simply a 8x57 mauser. I bought it in germany a few years back. In the USA they only import it in 458 mag, but I wanted something more huntable in the US. It has double triggers and a set trigger on one barrel. Heavy, but both barrels shoot sub MOA (not to the same POI unfortunately). but I've killed some wild boar and plenty of whitetails with it. |
Posted By: CB900F
Date Posted: 09 January 2011 at 05:07
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Bear; No, I don't think I'd fool with that myself. "A man's got to know his limitations." A quote well worth paying attention to. OTOH, I'm delving into the innards of my 77/22 & am replacing the factory sear witha Volquartsen unit & trigger spring. I may make a trigger overtravel stop for it too. I mean, a guy's gotta find something to do when it's cold enough to freeze the snot in a reindeer's nose right? 900F ------------- Birth certificate!? He don't need no steenkink birth certificate!! |
Posted By: d4570
Date Posted: 09 January 2011 at 06:42
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YUP like get a set of wind proof wool bibs and go call coyotes!!!! ------------- Remember: Four boxes keep us free ,the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box, AND the cartridge box |
CB900F wrote:
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 09 January 2011 at 06:52
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MYCAWDS in February??? I have wind prood wool pants! |
Posted By: d4570
Date Posted: 09 January 2011 at 06:58
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Why wait till February ? I saw a gopher the day after Christmas and we have already gone out shooting Prairie dogs... ------------- Remember: Four boxes keep us free ,the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box, AND the cartridge box |
Posted By: CB900F
Date Posted: 09 January 2011 at 07:01
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Bear; I'm a-gonna let you in on a little secret. This here's the real deal, & if you thinks about it just a bit, you'll know it's true. If he's raggin' on me about gettin' out & callin' coyotes by typing messages like that there, he ain't out callin' coyotes his own self. Which could be taken, by low-life suspicious folks, as the pot callin' the kettle "black". If ya knows what I mean. It's a sad old world, & I think I'll go to the creek & drown my sorrows.
------------- Birth certificate!? He don't need no steenkink birth certificate!! |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 09 January 2011 at 07:29
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Well, with all that cold and snow I hear about...those gophers must be 2 foot down under the snow or have snowshoes? The Creek is calling me...but my blood sugar is going wild....so I'll sit here (12o outside) and watch the buck eating in my back yard while I play 'smith and adjust triggers! This cast is really holding me back. flintlock season yesterday. no range time, except firing a little 22 flip-up P---y auto, that I'd be embarrassed to pull out of my sling in a gun fight. I'm so cabin happy, next week I'm going to start shooting the 38 J-frame. but it will be left handed and I'm going to shoot it with the gun sideways...the way the real bad guys do in the movies. |
Posted By: d4570
Date Posted: 09 January 2011 at 07:45
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I hunt and fish 4 days a week ,work 2 and spend Sunday with the wife... Today is Sunday she is in here sewing and I'm "With her" ------------- Remember: Four boxes keep us free ,the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box, AND the cartridge box |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 09 January 2011 at 07:49
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How devoted But we know you also fish with her. And I hear she catches more and bigger fish than you. |
Posted By: d4570
Date Posted: 09 January 2011 at 08:13
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Are you two trying to twist my chain??? Yes we fish, every buddy does it... And yes she out fishes me but so does every one else around here. But I try to keep it to Sundays ------------- Remember: Four boxes keep us free ,the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box, AND the cartridge box |
Posted By: Wing master
Date Posted: 09 January 2011 at 11:33
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Bear, What model is that J-frame? I think you will enjoy it. Wing master ------------- I have always considered myself to be quite the bullshitter, But ocasionally it is nice to sit back and listen to a true professional......So, Carry on. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 10 January 2011 at 04:50
| the one I'm carrying is the airweight 442. It is DAO with no hammer spur to catch on arm sling or cast. It is heavier in the sling carry than the Beretta, but 'looks' like a real gun. The Beretta handles better,except for getting the safety off. And shooting my weak hand, the Beretta is more accurate for me. But for defense, the close range woould make 4 fast 38s, something to be dealt with! |
Posted By: Irish Bird Dog
Date Posted: 10 January 2011 at 05:12
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so Bear what ammo are you using in the airweight?, and enlighten me again as to why you handicap yourself with only 4 rds in a 5 rd capacity cylinder? to lighten the load on the sling???? it is designed for 5.... oops.........looks like we strayed from the original post theme.... ------------- Irish Bird Dog NRA Life/Endowment 2nd Amendment Supporter |
Posted By: Wing master
Date Posted: 10 January 2011 at 10:23
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When I went looking for a revolver for ccw I was looking for an Airweight 442. I am not sure what happend, but I ended up with a model 60. Probably six of one and half a dozen of the other but I did like the longer grip on the 60. All my fingers have a place. I also would fill all the holes. No Brass left behind. Wing master ------------- I have always considered myself to be quite the bullshitter, But ocasionally it is nice to sit back and listen to a true professional......So, Carry on. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 10 January 2011 at 12:18
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Yep, 4 shots top is empty. resaon, ben doing it for 45 years, dah. Keeps the weight down. If I can't hit a dude with 4 rounds at 2 yards...I deserve what comes. 60s are very nice, got one. I liked the no hammer spur. 442 is VERY difficult to shoot accurately, takes work. By the way I shoot target reloads with full wad cutters, best knock down power in my book. BS doesn't matter inside 4 yards!!!
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Posted By: Irish Bird Dog
Date Posted: 10 January 2011 at 14:12
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Bear said..........."Yep, 4 shots top is empty. resaon, ben doing it for 45 years, dah.
Keeps the weight down. If I can't hit a dude with 4 rounds at 2
yards...I deserve what comes." .............so what if there are 2 or 3 of them? & they are 7yds away? The weight of that one extra cartridge won't be 'nuff to worry 'bout, time to learn new habits 'ol pal....so's you can get older..... ------------- Irish Bird Dog NRA Life/Endowment 2nd Amendment Supporter |
Posted By: Wing master
Date Posted: 10 January 2011 at 15:04
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Is the 442 a .357 or a .38? Wing master ------------- I have always considered myself to be quite the bullshitter, But ocasionally it is nice to sit back and listen to a true professional......So, Carry on. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 11 January 2011 at 00:41
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Well if there are 3 of them, I always just beat the shit out of the first 2 and only use the gun on the 3 and fourth. Remember, CCw is a defensive thing. What if I'm attacked by half of the red Chinesse army? High cap pistols were made for LEO, military, and bad guys. carrying 10+rounds in a CCW is just an other reason it will not be there when you really need it. JMO |
Posted By: Wing master
Date Posted: 11 January 2011 at 11:58
I agree Bear. Thats why I am interested in the 442. The model 60 is not very heavy, but the 442 is lighter. Wing master ------------- I have always considered myself to be quite the bullshitter, But ocasionally it is nice to sit back and listen to a true professional......So, Carry on. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 12 January 2011 at 02:22
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I've had the 442 about 10 years. no problems. I did test it shooting thru the pocket. because it is hammerless there is nothing to catch upon. I used and old coat...you do get some smoke/burn on the coat; but no fire. After 5 years of carrying it my brother got one, it is his favorite carry gun also. I'd like if the took a J-fram like the 442 and fitted it with a smaller diameter cylinder, chambered for 32 mag and only 4 shots. would be a great, in-your-pocket carry piece. |
Posted By: Irish Bird Dog
Date Posted: 12 January 2011 at 03:53
.... ... Apologies to CB....seems some unscrupulous persons (Bear, Wing Master and IBD) hijacked his thread....apparently those three have no manners or couth!
------------- Irish Bird Dog NRA Life/Endowment 2nd Amendment Supporter |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 12 January 2011 at 04:14
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couthless that is us.
or was that toothless! |
Posted By: Igbo Foo
Date Posted: 12 January 2011 at 11:52
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Both. FOO ------------- Wombat Snorgging: Australia's mystery perversion, Elvis's secret shame. |
Posted By: Wing master
Date Posted: 12 January 2011 at 13:32
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I resemble that remark. Wing master ------------- I have always considered myself to be quite the bullshitter, But ocasionally it is nice to sit back and listen to a true professional......So, Carry on. |
Posted By: CB900F
Date Posted: 13 January 2011 at 13:21
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Fella's; You too Bear. If'n somebody wants a scope mounted on a certain firearm, it would be wise if this thread returned to it's roots. 900F ------------- Birth certificate!? He don't need no steenkink birth certificate!! |
Posted By: Irish Bird Dog
Date Posted: 13 January 2011 at 17:43
Well now there CB how has the 'smithing going on the CZ....get the bolt apart and back again with no problems? Did the trigger kit work as expected? anonymous OK fellas lets see if 'ol CB picks up on this return to the roots of the thread...hope that scope gets mounted where it's supposed to...   ------------- Irish Bird Dog NRA Life/Endowment 2nd Amendment Supporter |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 14 January 2011 at 01:16
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mea culpa
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Posted By: CB900F
Date Posted: 04 June 2011 at 16:14
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Fella's; The scope got mounted on "Blondie" just fine. I've heard that the new owner is happy as a hog in high mud with it too. But, what's the feedback from other interested parties back east? 900F ------------- Birth certificate!? He don't need no steenkink birth certificate!! |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 05 June 2011 at 02:45
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Blondie is working on ammo type and the mildots for 100 yds. Still my favorite girl...but I'm fickle. wind at the range has been bad for 100 yds with 22 rf. Now in Rochester NY for friends 50th aniversary...Blondie stayed at home this trip. |