Magnum vs. Standard pro’s and con’s.

It's a travesty, a sham and a mockery.

A freak'n traveshamochery !!!

Sorry, couldn't resist. 

If ya can't have a good conversation with differn' view points, PLEASE shut yer computer off and go away from the Web.

Way, Way too many idea's and things to get pissed off at on the net.... 

I eat Pie too, but I don't tell others not too...

At least I tried tell'n them not to once or twice realized it were wrong and quit doin' it.

Yer just jealous! 

Spot

Rob,

    You never did say which side of the great divide you were on.

What calibers do you own?  I wouldn't want to distract you with the subject at hand. 

HEY what type of folks throw pie 

Spot

Rob,

    From my point of view the 257 Wby is a hottie, but not over the edge.  Because of my preffer for mass I look at the quarter bores for more LR yote stuff than anything else.

    I don't class 300win mag powder columns and lower as "super mags" so yer not what I would consider "aglutten" fer punishment.

Spot

Yep, got to agree we take this stuff much to serious.

 However it does help us understand our own feel'ns about what's important, and what's baloney from time to time.

   My first pistol was a 44Mag, and I wanted a 300Mag, but started with a remy 788 223.  Most of my opinion is built from my side line job of building loads for other folks.. Many mag hunters often can't shoot 50 rounds at a sitting.

  it's still better than talkin' about work though!

Spot

i went back through and reviewed this thread, and it was a damn good discussion right up until THIS POINT>>>

And if you look next to that reach out and touch somebody Wizzer I got, you'd see a nice 358 Win ya Idgit....Did I ever say I couldn't shoot a Magnum you two wacko's? ? ?....Tell me if I did so I can go edit my post.. Idgit's....Just as the benifits diminish from add'n powder, and Ego....That's cause I'm not make'n up for somethin' else...

then, as usual, we get the "who, me?" reply>>>

Great gob's of goose grease, Ya'll are get'n awful touchy about a bit of fun'n....Calln' someone an Idgit ain't a serious personal attack....I thought them northern most states had rough riders in them thet wouldn't be stirred by such lovin' terms as idgit....geeze.....I gracously apologize if yer truely offended by be'n calt an idgit...Please forgive my ignorance of yer sensitivity.

now, it could have ended there, and i believe this thread would have died a quiet, anonymous death....but sometimes people just can't leave it alone>>>

 Where was we..OH ya gun's....O8's are powder columns I consider pretty close to optimal, 06's columns are the peak of the curve, 300's columns are where things really start fall'n of in terms of FPS per grain.  Once you go plad with ludicrous spead (space balls the movie) with STW, and Ultra Mag powder colums, well yer over the top and make'n more blast than pushin' the bullet....Does that mean it's wrong?  Well truethfully I find that hard to sign off on.  IF, IF I were aim'n to kill somethin 400 plus it's the way to go, if it's 70 yards away it's overkill...

enter a reasonable, contrasting point of view thich was stated in perfect conversational "tone">>>

just because you consider the 308 case-size to be optimal does not make it optimal for me. same for the -06 cases. yeah, the more powder you add, the less the proportion of performance increase you get... but, so what? the performance is still increasing. i consider the 7 rem mag family the optimal case size.  then again, i want a little more performance (and can use it) than the guys who settle for the '06's and 308's.

and right behind it come more personal attacks (which the attacker claims to hate and want stamped out of BSB)>>>

Yes I do think those who buy ultra mag's and shoot game at under 300 yards are more compensating for a large ego than what they say they want....I mean your smarter to go from an 06 to a 35 Whelen, than to a 7 Ultra or STW....If it's a ultra and theres on possible way he's gonna shoot over 200 yds, I start wonder'n .. is this the only gun he own's or is he compensating?....I haven't met but a few rednecks that like gett'n kicked in the head....another group of endorphan drink'n folk who go for the "Bang for the Buck".

many people try to hint that the best thing to do is exit gracefully, and suddenly those people are at the receiving end>>>

a pie eat'n inter-loper or two...need to let folks make their own mistakes....If your in the business of getting offended easily..Well lets say you'll never be disappointed in life....Plenty of folk to get pissed at, go back ta eat'n pie....

and of course, the usual deflection and rationalization at the end>>>

All was done while smile'n or at least a smerk....If ya can't have a good conversation with differn' view points, PLEASE shut yer computer off and go away from the Web....I eat Pie too, but I don't tell others not too...

but the truth remains>>>

I tried tell'n them not to....

i guess it is true, sometimes>>>

we take this stuff much to serious.

WOW! we can look here and see more personalities than madonna has crabs! this is an exact repeat of the famous nazi thread, where someone was proven wrong, but just couldn't let it die, and managed to deflect with personal attacks and then try to claim it was all a joke, then a lesson which is meant to do us all a favor and lift us out of some intellectual hell. up to his nose in bullshit, but just kept digging. di do believe that the diagnosis of "last-word-itis" was correct. we shall see.

here is the lesson for the evening:

even if you ARE "just jokin' around and sayin' it with a smirk," it is generally NOT good form to throw insults around and belittle another person's choices. if you are going to insult someone and put them down, then do so, don't hide behind the "all-in-good-fun" shield. also, if you do so, you can usually expect to have a good chunk of it thrown back at you. if you do it just to prove some philosophical point that only you are aware of, then you will generally not succeed in anything except looking like a (the polite word is) clown, and the only "lesson" taught is that you need to get out more.

class dismissed.....

"Many mag hunters often can't shoot 50 rounds at a sitting."

50 rounds in a setting?  There ain't many standard faithful that would enjoy bellying up to the bench and having to trigger a 50-shot setting with a MAX load in their .30-06.  As soft as you're saying the average shooter is, they'd be moaning and whimpering well before shot #20.  Besides, what in tarnations do ya need 50 rounds in a setting for, anyway?  Does it seriously take that volume of shots per setting for you to get comfortable and proficient with a cartridge?

Ya know, with my last magnum cartridge work-up (7.82 Warbird and 200 gr. AccuBonds), I got the scope on paper, went through the entire load development process and made final scope adjustments at the end, all completed while using a hell of a lot less then 30 rounds total.  What's the significance of 50 shots?  After a load is developed, familiarity sessions of low quantities are all that's needed to master magnums.  I have no need for 50 round sessions.  Where you are mistaken is thinking it's the "quantity" of shots that makes you a better shooter.  In actuality, I firmly believe it's the "quality" of your technique while taking the shots you take that count.  I have no trouble letting a 9- or 12-shot shooting session be all that I do in a day with my Warbird.  Again, volume don't matter.  It's all in the technique and repetition of that technique.  The hold, the squeeze, concentration on the target.  Interesting thing happens when you're concentrating on the correct things.  Recoil, noise, blast     ...     all those hot topics for those raging against magnums fade away when you're doing so.  Maximizing the learning curve with every shot taken allows a shooter to accomplish things that he might not have thought possible, without having to sent huge volumes of lead down range.

I'm curious where you come up with these comments and what you honestly think you're proving by saying them     ...     aside from sounding kinda silly, that is?    >>  klallen

Ego's are the only thing left on this thread.

Tas you ought to delete that....   Not good form, taste, and it seeks to point out honest mistakes.... However honestly it makes the thread all about emotion, and ego and not about hunting, and shooting.

nice touch.

Spot

Spot shooter wrote: Ego's are the only thing left on this thread. Tas you ought to delete that....   Not good form, taste, and it seeks to point out honest mistakes.... However honestly it makes the thread all about emotion, and ego and not about hunting, and shooting. nice touch. Spot

spot - that was so typical, that i am really surprised that i expected different. i've got a 9-year old who does the same thing. sits there and stirs up crap until it finally hits the fan, and then sits back and plays innocent while telling his brothers they are being unreasonable.

as for deleting posts, don't count on it. everyone here is free to post what tehy want, and then stand by what they said, even if it is a bunch of circuitous, inflamatory bullshit which makes sense only in the limited world of the poster.

take a break; hypocrisy doesn't suit you.