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    Posted: 10 March 2005 at 01:41

Hi everyone.

Im new to this fine forum you have and already i have a question. Im looking to buy a spotting scope and would like some advice on what kind to buy. Im not looking for anything super expensive as im not a trophy hunter of any kind. What i need to know is what is a good brand and what kind of magnification would be best to suit my needs. Ive been looking on ebay and ive never heard of some of the brands on there. My friend has a Tasco that is 60 x 60 but he said its way too powerful unless youre hunting sheep or goats or living in Alberta where you can see for miles in front of you. I live in British Columbia, Canada where its mostly mountain ranges. Thanx and  i look for to your opinions.

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Welcome aboard Gary,

When it comes to optics, you'll find that most of us will suggest Leupold for all optics needs.  However, as some Leupolds are outside the price range of some folks, Bushnell tends to be the next best thing recommended.  You'll find some folks that would recommend Nikon as a 2nd choice (that would be me), Burris, or Weaver.  Some even like Trashco .

Spotting scope huh?  Unfortunately I can't be of much help here.  The only reason I use a spotting scope is at the rifle range.  Where I do most of my hunting, binocs are all I need.  But when it comes to brand, I would recommend Leupold (of course), followed by Nikon (what a surprise).  Someone will give you an answer pretty soon though on a spotting scope.

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Gary;

It would help us if you could give us some idea of the budget range you need to stay in.  We'll also probably give prices in American dollars & you'll need to convert.

That being said, I've been looking myself for a spotting scope.  I haven't bought, but the Leupold Sequoia is very interesting to me.  It's available with either the straight or angled eyepiece and with or without an accessory kit.  The kit contains a tripod & case & maybe a window mount.  Not sure, don't have the catalogue in front of me at the moment.  In any case, the price is about $10.00 higher for the angled eyepiece, with the plain scopes starting about $230.00 & the kits adding about $50.00.

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Glad to hear from you Gary, welcome to dis place.Smile

I have three scopes including one I just purchased 3 weeks ago, after lots of shopping and evaluation.

It depends on your use for the scope.  I think there are two types for me:

 A hunting scope this should be small and have a light tripod for glassing.  Looking for animals at 1000 yds or less.  Mule deer and antelope are relatively big and fine optics ($$$$) are not required or wanted due to the weight and size.  Most of the spotting will be to identify animals that were previously seen with binoculars.  I have a small 20x Nichols that was about $90.  It is good but not a Leopold, but it was lots cheaper, and fills the bill for a compact scope (weights less than 20 oz).

A target scope.  My eyes are bad (only one work son most days).  So I want something that will clearly show a 22 cal at 2-300 yds.  I also use this type of scope for PD hunting.  I just bought a Burris 20-60x 80mm Landmark.  They have a sale at Midway, it was about $199 + shipping.  It came with a hard carrying case and a soft case included. The Burris 15-45x 60 mm is a real good scope and about $30 cheaper; my brother has one.  The 15-45 landmark would have been my choice except for my eye problems, and that model gives you a table tripod also free with the purchase.  Burris also makes a small compact 20x, that is a great scope for the earlier described hunting scope, and it will function for most at the range, about $99 with a hard case and a table tripod.

Just some of my personal thoughts on spotting scopes.  You can't beat the Swarovski and the Leuopld if they are in your budget.  Bushnell also makes a good line of scopes.  I'd avoid house branded scopes like Cabela, Pine ridge, Winchester-- most are low quality and China made.  If you are looking for good top end scopes, go to a bird watching event.  These people are more demanding than shooters and will let you look thru lots of good high-end scopes.  They are opinionated and they demand better color definition than shooters; but they are very helpful (don't tell them you are hunter).

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We have no need for a spotting scope here in Mich. But for testing a rifle at the range at 100 yds, I use a Cabella's scope. It is not equal to the high priced jobs, but it meets my needs. I have the 16 - 48 power model.

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Gary, as far as a quality spotting scope for a decent price, I invite your attention to the Kowa compact. A couple of years ago, they were selling for under $200, but I'm not sure what they go for now. They are all quality and don't take up much space in a rucksack...................Kingpin
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It's  not the need for trophy hunting, it's how they treat your eyes. The better glass, the less strain . I have had both Tasco, and Bushnell. I now have Nikon. The cheaper scopes have  a shorter depth of field it seems. When you need to focus at higher powers on something it needs to be a fine focus. The cheaper spotting scopes in turn do not have such a fine ajsutemnt to them so those two things work against each other.

A 15-40x spotting scope is just about optimum im my opinion. The 15 lets you get on an animal quicker because of it's extra width of field, and you can zoom into 40 if you really want a good look. Then at the range, the 40 works good for those small calibers when you are looking for holes.

Anything past 40, and you start to get too much mirage  to see anything on warm days, and the fine adjustment of the cheapr scopes I talked about above hinders you more.

Spotting scopes are about like binoculars. Buy the best you can afford, even if you have to save and wait. If not, you will be buying another one in a few years.

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Kowa's are excellent and not too costly.

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Thanx for the replies guys. The Leupolds and Swarovskis are a little out of my price range. Im looking for something along the lines of $125.00 (can) in my price range. I will mostly use it for sighting in my rifle and checking out openings and fields on mountains from a distance before making a big trek there only to find there's no game like we've all done before. I will take a look at the suggestions such as Kowas and Nikons and the sites that were posted to me. My girlfriend wants to get me one for my birthday and i want to be sure she knows what shes buying as i dont want her buying one because its was cute and pretty looking. Also, beside my Avatar, its says i use a 22 longrifle and i would like to know how to change that to the rifle i do use which is a 303 Lee Enfield British?  

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Originally posted by gary murray gary murray wrote:

Also, beside my Avatar it says i use a 22 longrifle and i would like to know how to change that to the rifle i do use which is a 303 Lee Enfield British?  



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Oh i see now. Its a rank. I thought you all were interested in what gun i used while hunting and i missed a part of the registration to fill in.

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Are all spotting scopes waterproof or is waterproof just another feature that you have to pay that little extra for?

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I don't thing that waterproof is a good term for spotting scopes.  A waterproof device could be submerged, like falling in a lake and still work without any cleaning, etc.  Water resistance would mean you could safely use it in the rain, snow etc without water intrusion.

I have three spotting scopes, I don't use them uncovered in the rain!  Now that I think of it, when I'm hunting rifle in the rain, I'm usually in a shelter or under a tarp....and I'm miserable!Confused

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Sorry Bear, i should of been more specific. I meant water resistant. Not that i want to be in the middle of a thunder storm but i want something that will withstand some water. I guess a waterproof one would be good if i was looking for trophy trout .

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Saddle sore summed it up pretty well. Look for fully coated optics, not just the lenses. I'm not familiar with northern BC, but the southern part is pretty much like around here. His recommendation should fill your needs. Your price range will be difficult to find any quality glass buying new. Don't overlook Ebay!

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Ive driven the crows nest several times over the years on my way to visit Calgary. I live in the southern part of B.C. in the okanagan valley. Ive looked on ebay and see quite a few nice ones and there are a few ive never heard of but the glass is something that i will make a priority when i buy even if it means spending that little bit more. Its not that i like to sound like im cheap but i take into account the amount of time ill probably use it. If i was a serious trophy hunter then i would spend over $1500.00 for one no problem. When i do buy i will use Saddlesores advice. He recommends 15-40x and i was thinking 60x60 would be awesome but that was because i wanted to look right up the animals nose but i didnt take into account the disadvantages of such power like Saddle explained so ill get 15-40x instead.

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One thing I forgot to mention. I wish I had opted to buy a spotting scope with a 45 degree downward looking eye piece.

Out hunting I don't like to carry a big tripod, and with the 45 degree, you can just carry a short tripod. With a short tripod and straight scope, you have to find a rock or soemthing to sit it up on or get down on your belly to get a view. With the 45 degree, you can sit it on the ground and look down into it, providing grass or brush doesn't obscure your view.

At the range, they work much better if you are firing prone in matches. You can sit the small tripod right on the bench if that is how you are shooting.

Another  nice addition is a spotting scope mount with ball head that clamps on your truck window.These are nice for antelope hunting when you are driving around trying to spot herds and then get out and stalk. I see they now have similar clamps that may clamp on tree limbs,etc.

However, the 45 degree type spotting scopse are usually only offered in the high end models.

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Hi Saddlesore.

Well we got a spotting scope on ebay as of yesterday. I won the bid at $63.00 u.s. + $17.00 shipping to Canada which includes insurance and its a Burris 12x24x50. Its compact at 8" long and weighs 15 ounces. The only thing that it didnt have was a 45* eyepiece but thats ok. I had to order the tripod seperate for $8.00 u.s. but he included free shipping for the pod. So how is the Burris scope in your opinion?

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I don't have that compact.  But my 80 mm is great and I believe a very good value.

That 45 degree angle helps from getting a stiff neck if you are an old fart.  I spent 2 hours watching my brother stalk a nice brown bear in AK.  My neck was hurting for 2 months.  But I can still see that bear blow out of a blueberry patch 50 yards after my brother crossed thru it.  It when straight up the mountain at about 30 MPH.  Never stopped to say "Hi".

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