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    Posted: 24 September 2005 at 17:24
    Guys I'm starting to reload for my Roberts and I'm looking for some heads up,I've been trying some different commercial loads and the ones that do the best are 117 gr. in the Hornady Custom,it seems to really group the best with the 117's. I need a good load for whitetail. Heres what I'm afraid of,this rifle is a Rem. Gamemaster 760 from the early 50's so I'm really shy of loading it hot. What say ye.
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Tikka;

I'm not familiar with that gun, so a couple of questions.  What type of  bolt lock-up does it have?  Is it a shotgun type single lug, or a rotary with how many lugs?

RCBS makes small base dies for your type of application.  The weak point of the Rem corn-shuckers & semi-autos was extraction, the small base dies helped alleviate that problem a great deal.

In answer to your question though, Speer #13 data is all to the .257 + P level.  The cartridge notes say to reduce all loads by two grains if loading for a slide action rifle, which I presume means one like yours.  This reduction would then make the max charges for 120 gr Speer bullets as follows:

IMR4831, 43 grains.  760, 41 grains.  H414, 41 grains. IMR4350, 41 grains.  And RL19, 41 grains.  These proceed from highest velocity to lowest.

Just parsing the math, the velocity produced by 43 grains of IMR4831 works out to be about 2672 fps, and it drops from there.

However, considering your situation, I'd take a good long look at using the 100 grain bullets.  This gets the velocity up into the mid-2900's with either 760 or RL19, working the data the same way.  That still yields over 1000 ft lbs of energy at 300 yards, using the Speer 100 gr spitzer.  You may very well find that playing around with O.A.L. will bring the 100's into acceptably tight groups.

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 Hey CB

 Yep it has a rotory lock-up with I beleve 3 sets of 5 lugs,this one is before they came out with the newer 7600 style lock up.

 I've tried commercial loads in 100 gr.,117gr.120 gr. it seems to hold the 117's in a tighter group. Which makes me wonder Honady custom rifle with 117's does really well but the same grain in the light mags don't,think it's because they aren't loaded as hot?

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Tikka;

Whether or not it would chrono the same isn't really the question.  It's almost certain though that both aren't loaded with the same powder.  In other words, it isn't the velocity that's the question, it's the vibes.

Everytime it goes bang, the barrel goes twang; it vibrates.  The trick is to get the bullet going out the muzzle when the barrel is at one of the two end points of it's cycle.  You know, fast in the middle of the swing & slows to a stop & then speeds up going the other direction.

'Cause if the bullet leaves the barrel in the fast middle portion of the swing, then the muzzle tends to kick the bullet sideways & induce yaw, which makes for inaccuracy.  This is where the old crap about a bullet 'going to sleep' came from.  Too hot addresses the physical strength of the rifle & components, not necessarily accuracy.

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Well I've gotta agree with CB.

4350 of either the Hodgdon or IMR variety seemed to do well for me in the 115 ballistic tips and the others I've tried.  Liked it pretty warm loads too if memory serves me right.

But I was shooting them in the Ruger 77R tang safety.  I, like you are a little concerned about how it'd work with a 50's era Remington.  I'd proceed with the usual caution and base my increments off the signs or lack thereof of pressure.

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  I load for a bolt 257 R and it like H-414, But I am going to try IMR4064 When my hunting season is over. I loaded for a 760 in 308 a few years back,And I had a hard time getting it to feed with reloaded brass, But I just made sure that my hunting loads were with factory fresh brass and i worked fine, Thats a rather rare little pump you have there. The newest American rifelman has a great article on the 760.

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 Hey TJ

  Yep pretty rare for sure and it's got the rare checkering on the wood as opposed to the slick pistol grip with the ribbed forearm. Near as I can figure it's around a 1954 model. I been thinking of restoring it but so far my gunsmith has me talked out of it. Sure is sweet to shoot.

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My 257 whitetail load is 42 grains of IMR 4350 with the Hornady 117 round/flat nose.  I shoot a 1976 m77 Ruger tang saftey model.  It shoots good, is moderate but not high pressure.  I reload for a number of older 760 pumps, most '06.  They are all very strong rifles and most shoot 1 inch with good loads, even factory.

That WT loaad in my 257 has grounded about 7 deer, all with one shot.  The performance is way better than one would normally expect from a quart inch 120 grain slug.  I think the amount of exposed lead on the flat nose helps lots.

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