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788Fan
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Topic: Whats a walking varminter?Posted: 17 October 2009 at 10:08 |
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Hey guys and gals......I read about walking varminters. One of the stock makers has one for the Mauser action labeled "walking varminter". My R700BDL is a sporter, my R700 VS is a varminter, so what this thing called a walking varminter? Is it a particular combination of barrel, stock and cartridge? Any help is appreciated. Thanks, 788
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Posted: 17 October 2009 at 20:08 |
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typically they will be just a hair heavier than a true hunting rifle and have a stock design that is more for bench or bipod shooting than it is for holding w/ your offhand. there's a million variations on the theme, however, so there's no hard and fast rules. as an example, i consider my 7-08 to be a walking varminter. it is actually lighter than many of my sporters, but the stock is flat on the bottom. the gun is meant for coyote hunting where i'll still spend some time (and boot leather) walking from stand to stand. so it is light, has a 22" barrel, and rides the bench and bipod very well. i have used my walking varminter for a deer hunt, and found it will effectively kill deer. it is not an ideal deer rifle though because of the really light trigger. clear as mud, right? in a nutshell, a walking varminter is a sporter rifle that has been adapted to varminting. Edited by dakotasin |
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Posted: 17 October 2009 at 21:24 |
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788Fan; My definition's a bit different than Dak's, but between the two I hope you'll get a better feel for the class. Walking varminter's come in what's generally considered to be a "varmint" caliber. That's usually a .22 centerfire to, maybe, a .25 caliber on the high end. They are lightweight, but capable of short-term long range accuracy. Short-term because they will have a light weight barrel contour when compared to the bull barrels usually found on stand oriented varmint guns. The critical thing about a good one is that it'll put the bullet into less than MOA on the first shot from a cold barrel. I'm not too concerned about the flat bottom on the stock's fore end with mine. What is of concern is how well it slings up & steadies out when I use the sling. The walking part of walking varminter is what I'm doing most of the time with mine. So, it's ability to go from carry to steady quickly is important to me. I rarely get the chance to put the forearm on a rest in the field. The scope's important too. I consider about 4-12X to be pretty close to ideal for the job. If you need more than 12X, you're in a situation where the full varminter would be the gun to go to. Again, I'll always push the mil-dot reticle for this type of work. You don't know where the wind's gonna be in relation to the shot when you're in the field. The mil-dot allows you to make a known "Kentucky windage" adjustment without fiddleing with turrets, or just guessing. Get used to the reticle & it's amazingly easy to do. 900F |
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Posted: 17 October 2009 at 21:43 |
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My definition is same as CB's. But besides being light weight, the acuracy and cartridge depend upon where and what is a varmint. So I consider my light 25-20s light varmint guns, I walk groundhogs and most shots are under 100 yards so MOA is not as critical. My 10 pound Sako 243 w/6-24 leupold would be a walking varminter when I'm hunting longer ranges. Any longer most places you can hunt long range varmints are also places most guys drive to in a 4WD. So weight doesn matter too much. |
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Posted: 18 October 2009 at 02:23 |
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I guess i'ts a rifle designed for Varminting in situations where you will not be shooting a zilion shots like you would on prarie dog town, I rather like the concept my self, Never been interested in shooting rodents, but my smith has a rifle in his shop that fits the bill prety well. Its 6mm Remington on a mauser action , with a 20 inch barrel that is just a little on the heavy side. I would like it just beacuse it should also be dandy dear rifle. ...tj3006 Edited by tj3006 |
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Posted: 18 October 2009 at 06:56 |
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I'll mostly go along with the above in terms of scope power. Whatever barrel is "light varmint" or #3 (I think .685 or so at the muzzle) qualifies as a walkabout varminter. But any sporter in a varmint caliber that groups well when not hot is a walkabout.
As for a 6MM Rem on a Mauser being a walkie gun...Six Rem in 20 inches? Geeze but that kind of misses the point of having a Sixer -- the zoom factor. That thing goes off and there won't be much around for a second shot. I suppose one could load faster powders and light bullets but I have to scratch my head a little. |
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Posted: 20 October 2009 at 19:01 |
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Here is my idea of a walking varmit rifle still different than others:
Stevens 200 rifle that started out as a .223 but now is a 6mm-.222RM pushing 55-70 grain bullets. Barrel is a #3 contour 1:12 twist 20" long with recessed target crown. I upgraded the trigger and recoil lug, and added a tactical bolt knob to make it easier to grab. I've topped it off with a Nikon Monarch 2-7X35 to keep this package small, light weight, and fast handling. |
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Posted: 22 October 2009 at 10:36 |
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A walking varminter is a term made up by gun rag writers who like to put catchy names on things. A few years ago, a guy asked me to build him a combination rifle that he was going to use for hunting, 1000 yard matches, and sniping. I informed him that there is no such beast because a rifle for both of the first two requires two separate rifles. I then asked him who he was going to snipe at, and who he was working for. To make a long story short, he worked in a gun shop and knew EVERYTHING! That being said, he is still in search of that rifle. Who walks when varmint hunting. Most of the guys I know who hunt varmints have to wheel their rifles to a place to hunt varmints because of the weight. The guys who are walking are, for the most part, using AR-15's oor something like it. Gun rag writers are a curious bunch of pompous asses, who have to invent trash to write so they can get paid. I piss on the whole lot of them...............................Kingpin
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Posted: 22 October 2009 at 21:25 |
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Kingpin; C'mon out this March or April. I'll introduce you to the concept of walking varminting. We'll do gophers & coyotes. Bring a good .22 rimfire and a lightweight centerfire. I use my 6mm Remington for 'yotes. Grab Bear while yer at it, I owe him a dinner anyways. 900F |
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Posted: 22 October 2009 at 22:23 |
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I'm ready CB. that Savage 222 I had last year is gone...one of only 2 rifles I've sold in 50 years of buying. It was POS. Couldn't sell it to anyone I knew. Some "gun dealer" type followed me around at a gun showTill I gave it to him. It wouldn't shoot for sh7t. Got a 22 pump with a 4x or a Savage heavy babbel bolt 22 clip /6-14x scope. Which one??? |
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Posted: 22 October 2009 at 23:56 |
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I'd think the Savage, just put the one and a quarter inch sling swivels on & get a good leather sling. If Kingpin doesn't have a walkin' .22, 900F can loan him the Ruger 77/22 that's got a 4-12X on it, otherelse you could use it. I'm given to understand that all Kingpin's .22 rimfires are bench guns with 36 power scopes. Or, now here's a thought: You could load him the Savage & use 900F's 77/22 yer own self! Hah! I can hear Kingpin now - Foo! |
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Posted: 23 October 2009 at 00:50 |
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If I loaned him the Savage, I'd probably get it back with a tomato plant attached!!!
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Posted: 23 October 2009 at 06:44 |
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Posted: 23 October 2009 at 09:47 |
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I have several .22 rf's, dandy ones too. I think that every rifle I have could be a gun rag writers dream, I can walk with them and have on occaision, shot every one of them off hand, even the .50 BMG. That being said, unless I am big game hunting, I don't walk much. If God had meant for me to walk, He wouldn't have given me wheels. By the way, I heard his wife likes the foo guy a lot more...............................Kingpin
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