Why is it .223 WSSM?

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   This is a silly question. I can see the .243 WSSM, the .243 is a winchester cartridge. But, with .223 being remington, why not go with .225 WSSM. I know the .223 is MUCH more recognizeable, but why not start with a winchester based cartridge name?

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bkcorris Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .416 Rigby aka The Cheesehead Savage Joined: 11 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2120	Topic: Why is it .223 WSSM? Posted: 10 July 2003 at 14:47
	This is a silly question. I can see the .243 WSSM, the .243 is a winchester cartridge. But, with .223 being remington, why not go with .225 WSSM. I know the .223 is MUCH more recognizeable, but why not start with a winchester based cartridge name?

D.F.C. Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .30/06 SpringField Joined: 10 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 499	Posted: 10 July 2003 at 14:55
	The Winchester line of rifles and the Winchester ammunition company are not owned by the same foreigners. Dan

bkcorris Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .416 Rigby aka The Cheesehead Savage Joined: 11 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2120	Posted: 10 July 2003 at 15:00
	Yes, I know, but it is still the name. Winchester Still makes the ammunition I believe, just not the rifles. I just think it is odd, just like if remington made a .270 RUM.

NH_Hunter Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .416 Rigby aka The Kid Joined: 13 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3508	Posted: 11 July 2003 at 00:34
	I didnt know Rem made a .270 RUM! I thought they only went down to 7mm. They do make a .300 RUM, and the .300 Mag is a Winnie. I guess it just doesnt matter anymore. Well, what else would they use? .308-no because that is winnie's also. .303- no because that is brit for .311 and it is Savage for .308. THere really isnt anything else they can use in the .30 cal designations that is just theirs. NH_Hunter
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klallen Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .416 Rigby The RockChucker Joined: 10 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2331	Posted: 11 July 2003 at 01:51
	I don't know BK but it seems like .223 is as appropriate a name for a new .224 caliber cartridge as anything. Might have been a marketing ploy to try and gleen off the huge popularity of the .223 Rem. ??? I don't know. Speaking of names, it would appear that they sure could cause some confusion to those new or unfamiliar with our hobby. 7.82 Warbird. 7.62X39, .300 WinMag, .308 Norma Mag, .30 Carbine, 7.5mm (MAS & SR) ... someone coming in brand spank'n new has some learning to do simply figuring out which of these could use the same diameter bullet and which could not. >> klallen

pocketnavy Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .375 Holland & Holland Magnum Joined: 12 June 2003 Location: Antarctica Status: Offline Points: 612	Posted: 11 July 2003 at 02:04
	Good Morning NH . . . wake up . . . yawn a little . . . he said "IF" they made a 270 RUM . . . because the .270 is so associated with Winchester. That aside . . . sounds like a good idea . . . or a .243 RUM . . . now THAT should sell. The .240 Weatherby is something that should be more popular . . . it makes a .243 Win REALLY look like a "girl's gun." Aside from that, KLALLEN, you know how bad some of these companies are about ripping off other people's ideas. Case in point is the 6.5-08 A-Square. Still surprised they didn't get sued over that one. And the RUMs, although I think they are really neat, are nothing more than Dakotas . . . ripped off again? The little WSSMs are cute little boogers . . . weird looking!

pocketnavy Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .375 Holland & Holland Magnum Joined: 12 June 2003 Location: Antarctica Status: Offline Points: 612	Posted: 11 July 2003 at 02:12
	Hey Korey . . . me thinks we should be promoted or knighted, or something, for going over a hundred posts . . . Tenderfoot? . . . Geez!

NH_Hunter Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .416 Rigby aka The Kid Joined: 13 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3508	Posted: 11 July 2003 at 06:20
	OOps, i guess i really hadnt woken up yet! Sorry BK. Whew, i am glad i beat that tenderfoot thing! NH_Hunter
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D.F.C. Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .30/06 SpringField Joined: 10 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 499	Posted: 11 July 2003 at 07:26
	"you know how bad some of these companies are about ripping off other people's ideas. Case in point is the 6.5-08 A-Square. Still surprised they didn't get sued over that one. And the RUMs, although I think they are really neat, are nothing more than Dakotas . . . ripped off again?" For your information, the 6.5x308 was around many years before A Square ever chambered a rifle for that round, as was the 338X30-06 and the 6.5X284. RUM's and Dakota's have nothing in common. The base of the Dakota round in .545, the base of the RUM is .534, very close to the belted magnum base size which is .532. The Rum case is longer than the Dakota and has a much greater case capacity. What they do have in common is they are both made of brass and that's all. If you want to talk about stealing others ideas try the 6.5X284 Norma and the 338-06 A Square. Dan Edited by D.F.C.

klallen Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .416 Rigby The RockChucker Joined: 10 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2331	Posted: 11 July 2003 at 07:30
	Hey Fred >> That's the great thing about creating new cartridges. All you gotta do is change the shoulder angle by a degree, shorten the length by a thousandth or blow out the body taper a smidge and presto, you've got something new. Different? Not really, but new all the same. At least that's what the powers that be will tell ya. By the way, don't want to put words in your mouth but I do believe that the .300 RUM is closer to the .300 Canadian Magnum (made 10 years earlier) than any similarities to the Dakota class of cartridges. Prime example of what I mentioned above. A thousandth here, a thousandth there and bingo, a brand new Remington cartridge that looks a hell of a lot like NASS's older cartridge. I like it though. I'd much rather have them putting these new things out there than not have them available. About this knighthood thing at 100 posts ... I don't think so. Not for me at least. I'm suprised Ron hasn't permanently ear-tagged me at the "court jester" level and left me there to squander. Looks like at 400 we become BaitShop Regulars. We'll have to keep track of young NH to see what comes after that. I'd have to assume he'll be the first to get to the higher designations. Later. >> klallen Edited by klallen

NH_Hunter Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .416 Rigby aka The Kid Joined: 13 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3508	Posted: 11 July 2003 at 09:55
	Now why would that be Klallen? NH_Hunter
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Lawdog Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .30/06 SpringField Joined: 14 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 278	Posted: 11 July 2003 at 10:09
	bkcorris, Actually Remington didn't invent the .223 they just were the first to stick their name on it just like they did with the .22-250 and the .25-06. But I do agree that the .223 part was a marketing ploy and a good idea too. Lawdog

pocketnavy Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .375 Holland & Holland Magnum Joined: 12 June 2003 Location: Antarctica Status: Offline Points: 612	Posted: 11 July 2003 at 10:31
	Your right Korey . . . and I stand corrected Dan . . . got them mixed up. ANYWAY . . . they preceded Remingtons grand intro! BUT . . . I like the RUMs . . . they make sense. They give us access to WBY-like ballistics without having to sell a family member to buy ammo. Of course DAN . . . all kinds of wildcats out there . . . but I still don't see the WSMs as any great gift from heaven. I have a feeling you don't either. Hell . . . to be honest . . . a .300 H&H is gudenuff for me. Stuff it with Cordite and I could dream I was wandering around in Kenya. Nothing romantic about all this new "perfect" stuff.

pocketnavy Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .375 Holland & Holland Magnum Joined: 12 June 2003 Location: Antarctica Status: Offline Points: 612	Posted: 11 July 2003 at 10:41
	Yeah . . . I think Jeff has figured out a way to get double-posts. DFC was doing that on the old BSB. One day he has twice as many posts as the rest of us . . . and he ain't anymore of a blabber-mouth than anybody else. Gawd it is hot out. 94 degrees last time I looked. Cold front coming from Montana this evening. Feeding dog ice cubes to keep her cool - me too. Thinking about all this cartidge crap. Decided all I want are four chamberings: 6.5x54 MS - .300 H&H - .375 H&H - .416 Rigby That will cover everthing from lagomorphs to jumanji outbreaks . . .

NH_Hunter Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .416 Rigby aka The Kid Joined: 13 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3508	Posted: 11 July 2003 at 10:54
	I never double post. I am offended that you would think such a thing!!!!! I just am a motor mouth in real life so it dictates into this. NH_Hunter
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pocketnavy Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .375 Holland & Holland Magnum Joined: 12 June 2003 Location: Antarctica Status: Offline Points: 612	Posted: 11 July 2003 at 11:23
	That is EXACTLY what DFC said . . . claimed total innocence . . . oh well . . . we'll figure it out . . . especially if Tash turns up with a new rifle!

NH_Hunter Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .416 Rigby aka The Kid Joined: 13 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3508	Posted: 11 July 2003 at 11:33
	Wouldnt two posts show if i double posted? If you want you can check my innocence by going through all of the forums on this site and counting how many times I have posted! NH_Hunter
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D.F.C. Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .30/06 SpringField Joined: 10 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 499	Posted: 12 July 2003 at 01:54
	This Dan

D.F.C. Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .30/06 SpringField Joined: 10 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 499	Posted: 12 July 2003 at 01:54
	Is how you do it Dan

klallen Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .416 Rigby The RockChucker Joined: 10 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2331	Posted: 12 July 2003 at 02:23
	Ahhhhhhh. The master at work. Watch and learn, NH. Watch and learn. Once DFC and NORTH LOGAN get rolling, it's a thing of beauty.