Gonna buy one

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   Well, I'm rich so I'm in the market for a real shooter. Always liked
1911s, like the USP. But I have small hands so a Para stacker is out,
and I'm not able to handle the levers on a USP worth a darn although I
can shoot it just fine and I like that it's slightly smaller than a
1911.

Any other smooth-riding units with good triggers out there I should try?

And, I'm wondering about going to a 357 Sig rather than 45, or possibly 38 Super. Being a rifle sort, I like bottlenecks.

I await.

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Dave Skinner Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .416 Rigby AKA "Fast Eddie" Joined: 13 June 2003 Location: Albania Status: Offline Points: 1693	Post Options Post Reply Quote Dave Skinner Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Gonna buy one Posted: 02 December 2006 at 18:28
	Well, I'm rich so I'm in the market for a real shooter. Always liked 1911s, like the USP. But I have small hands so a Para stacker is out, and I'm not able to handle the levers on a USP worth a darn although I can shoot it just fine and I like that it's slightly smaller than a 1911. Any other smooth-riding units with good triggers out there I should try? And, I'm wondering about going to a 357 Sig rather than 45, or possibly 38 Super. Being a rifle sort, I like bottlenecks. I await.
	Up hills slow, down hills fast, tonnage first and safety last

Triggerguard Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .416 Rigby aka The San Antonio Terminator Joined: 13 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2212	Post Options Post Reply Quote Triggerguard Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 03 December 2006 at 03:49
	Being a rifle sort, I like bottlenecks. I await. If you are going to handload for it, bottleneck cartridges are a PITA to load in large quantities. Stick with .45 ACP or .38 Super.
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dakotasin Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Administrator a TRUE brother-in-arms! Joined: 10 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4099	Post Options Post Reply Quote dakotasin Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 03 December 2006 at 08:46
	a 70 series colt 1911 (not a series 70 re-pop, but a real one) in 38 super would be my first pick in your situation.
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Kingpin Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .416 Rigby aka Old IronSides Joined: 01 July 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 11716	Post Options Post Reply Quote Kingpin Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 03 December 2006 at 10:07
	The USP, in no way, is remotely like the 1911. They are totally two different beasts. The .357 SIG is a great round, but I believe that the ammo is slightly higher than we all know. The .40 is nice, as is the 9MM. Scoff if you will, and don't get caught getting corrected by me for using the term "knock down power." Using any type of firearm in personal defense, bullet placement, not caliber, is what stops the fight..............................Kingpin
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CB900F Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Administrator Honor, Integrity Joined: 10 June 2003 Location: Eritrea Status: Offline Points: 8857	Post Options Post Reply Quote CB900F Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 03 December 2006 at 12:57
	Eddie; Keep in mind that the USPc (compact) platform does not use the same frame as the full sized USP. I don't have large hands either, but have no problems working my USPc. In the H&K compact line though, be aware that the .45 compact is a larger frame than the 9mm/.40 compact. The H&K's do allow cocked & locked carry, and provide a hammer drop with the same operating lever. It's also possible to have ambidextrous operating levers, I've had H&K do the update on mine. I don't understand why Kingpin takes the attitude that the H&K's & the 1911 platforms are not virtual clones of each other! Both have barrels with round holes that bullets come out of. Both have slides that go back and forth, ejecting brass and picking up new rounds to shoot. Both have springs in the slide to make it slide forward. Both have triggers. Both have magazines. I could go on ad nauseum, but you get the point. Hell, put 'em in the safe together in the dark & pretty soon, you'll see! Little one's soon appear. A Kahr for dad & a Kel-Tec for mom. Happens way too often for it to be mere coincidence. If they can breed, they're the same thing under the surface. It's just like people King. Boys & girls look different on the surface, and they act differently too. But a good way to get called "Daddy" is to think it can't happen to you. 900F
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Muleskinner Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .416 Rigby AKA The Crotchety ol’ Geezer Joined: 13 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 5285	Post Options Post Reply Quote Muleskinner Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 03 December 2006 at 14:02
	I'd stick to an american made 1911. A Colt or Kimber. Are you looking for a full-size pistol, or a carry piece? Steel frame or Alloy? The full size Kimbers eat any ammo, including reloads, that you feed them. The compact 1911s can be finicky, no matter what the make. I still haven't found a self defense load for my Eclipse Ultra II. 200 and 230 JHPs tend to hit the steep feed ramp and stick in the mag. Mags make a difference, generally, but not in this case. The Kimber Warrier is a fine piece developed for the SOCOM Marine units. I handled one today. That model is desiged for reliability, among other things. The finish is highly corrosion resistant, for salt water environments. I'm gun poor right now, or I'd get a Warrior. PS, After the problems my son had with his Para, and learning that they wouldn't take many standard 1911 parts, I'd avoid them. They're made in Canada, and I wouldn't trust them frenchies to make a decent combat pistol, seein' how no frenchie has ever seen combat. Edited by Muleskinner
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Kingpin Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .416 Rigby aka Old IronSides Joined: 01 July 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 11716	Post Options Post Reply Quote Kingpin Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 03 December 2006 at 14:33
	On the other hand, I never owned a store bought Para. The one I have is a P-14, and I built it from just the steel frame that I bought. It's as customized as I like them, but nothing too outlandish, except for the ebony grips that I special ordered. That being said, I never had a stutter or stoppage with it since I built it. Lots of guys around here buy Kimbers, and I ought to know, they bring them to me because of reliability problems. I worked on 5 of them last week. Normally the problem are feeding problems, but I will say that they shoot ball ammo just fine. I believe that most of the problems that I have had with them boiled down to bad handloads. There's a lot of that to be seen here. In the IPSC matches I attend, it's always the same guys who like nothing better than to make their own shitty ammo and can NOT be persuaded that they have no talent for loading reliable ammo................................Kingpin Edited by Kingpin
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Triggerguard Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .416 Rigby aka The San Antonio Terminator Joined: 13 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2212	Post Options Post Reply Quote Triggerguard Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 December 2006 at 00:38
	A Para P-12 is my routine carry gun. Never a bobble, feeds everything I have ever put thru it, as long as cartridge OAL is correct.
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Muleskinner Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .416 Rigby AKA The Crotchety ol’ Geezer Joined: 13 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 5285	Post Options Post Reply Quote Muleskinner Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 December 2006 at 14:31
	Steer your pals to a Wilson case guage. Should improve their handloads. My Kimber CDP eats everything on the planet. The Ultra II jammed with Winchester ball ammo, but that was using the factory mag. I've always avoided compacts, because my hands are kinda huge, so this is a new experience for me. The Kimber fit, so I bought it. This is my third Kimber and the others run well, as does my Gold Cup (except for flat points). I noticed the steep feed ramp on this pistol, but didn't foresee the bullet not clearing the mag. I think I'll try a short bullet, and see if that doesn't let it travel up a lil' more before it engages the ramp. I'm betting a 185 Golden Saber will do the trick. If not, I may look for a mag with a slightly more angled follower than the Wilson I'm using. Tipping the bullet just a little unjams the works when it happens. What's the standard angle for a follower, anyhoo, and do they vary from make to make? I hate to have two different carry loads, but its preferable to a stuck hollowpoint when some homeboy is fixing to point a 9 at my face....I guess. Edited by Muleskinner
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deaddog Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Administrator AKA The Flying Gun Joined: 23 April 2004 Location: Svalbard Status: Offline Points: 991201	Post Options Post Reply Quote deaddog Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 05 December 2006 at 04:35
	Being that you are rich...Try building a Jennings lower mated to a S&W Sigma upper, rechambered to 9MM Largo. By the time you get that to shoot well you won't be rich anymore and will have lost any and all desire for a new gun. DD
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Muleskinner Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .416 Rigby AKA The Crotchety ol’ Geezer Joined: 13 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 5285	Post Options Post Reply Quote Muleskinner Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 05 December 2006 at 12:32
	Dave is rich? Learn somthin' ever day. Anyhoo, took the Ultra out to the range and fired 500 more rounds through it (mostly LRNs). The hollow points jammed less and less. I'm thinkin' the ramp jus' needs a lil' more break in than full sizers. I might just get 'er polished, if I can find a trusty smith. I'm definitely not going to carry that piece until I get no significant number of jams. Like I said, learn somthin' ever day.
	Mule

CB900F Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Administrator Honor, Integrity Joined: 10 June 2003 Location: Eritrea Status: Offline Points: 8857	Post Options Post Reply Quote CB900F Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 05 December 2006 at 13:10
	Fella's, you too Mule; Rich is a relative term you understand. Eddie's rich is not Bill Gates's rich. If Eddie were in Bill's shoe's he'd also be contemplating buying a real motorcycle, a Zundapp Himmel Flyer, Ariel Square Four, or that holy of holies, a Parmesean Super Prostate! But all he wants is a new pistol. I've had my H&K USPc in .40 for about 10 years now. It's my carry gun & no problems whatsoever with it. It's about as reliable as a bucket of rocks. That being said, my Kimber works well too. It'll feed .45 ACP empties, & I'll demonstrate that to anybody who shows up. I use Chip McCormick Shooting Star 8 round mags. 900F
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Muleskinner Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .416 Rigby AKA The Crotchety ol’ Geezer Joined: 13 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 5285	Post Options Post Reply Quote Muleskinner Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 05 December 2006 at 13:35
	I've never used Chip McCormick mags, but looked that them real hard a time or two at shows. I need another 8 round mag. Maybe I'll pick one up next time and see what happens. My Kimber CDP is the same way feeding everything, and it did so right out of the box. I recognize, however, that the compact platform is a little trickier. Just getting 7 rounds into that little mag is an engineering marvel. You'd have to expect the pistol to be finicky or have an extended break in period. I still think Kimbers are the best buy for the money. When my rich uncle in the poor house dies, I'd like to have a full size Kimber Warrior. Very interesting new twist on the 1911. God, I"m starting to sound like a bona fide gun nut. Edited by Muleskinner
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Dave Skinner Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .416 Rigby AKA "Fast Eddie" Joined: 13 June 2003 Location: Albania Status: Offline Points: 1693	Post Options Post Reply Quote Dave Skinner Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 05 December 2006 at 17:32
	So the consensus is to go 45 even tho I'm a hopeless wierdcat shooter? What else out there is a good 45 besides sundry full-size 1911s and either size HK? Sigs? Or what? I'm starting to lean toward a compact but me want reliable, reliable reliable considering its real purpose, self defense on road trips to godforsaken nowheres.
	Up hills slow, down hills fast, tonnage first and safety last

deaddog Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Administrator AKA The Flying Gun Joined: 23 April 2004 Location: Svalbard Status: Offline Points: 991201	Post Options Post Reply Quote deaddog Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 05 December 2006 at 18:30
	Well I might as well come out of the closet since know one else is going to admit it here. I have three of them. The dirty "G" word. Yes I know they aren't pretty. Yes none of them will shoot as good as my Kimber Super Match, but..They are much more reliable out of the box than a 1911 or clone. They are not as ammo picky. And the mags never seem to cause any problems. Accuracy is not bad and with hand loads can be quite good. A 36 Glock in .45 has a thin grip and fits all the other parameters you mentioned. I wish they made one in that grip size in 10mm. I have the full size and it is too big for me but I still shoot it good and like the extra power it has over the .45. It is legal for deer here where the .45 isn't. They make one in .45 GAP, that's the next thing to a wildcat for you. Dan Wesson makes or made a 1911 in 10mm. I don't own one but have shot one quite a bit. An alternative to the .45 anyway. It'll give you 200-250 more fps over a .45 with any bullet up to 200gr. DD
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Dave Skinner Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .416 Rigby AKA "Fast Eddie" Joined: 13 June 2003 Location: Albania Status: Offline Points: 1693	Post Options Post Reply Quote Dave Skinner Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 06 December 2006 at 14:30
	What about the Largo gun?
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deaddog Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Administrator AKA The Flying Gun Joined: 23 April 2004 Location: Svalbard Status: Offline Points: 991201	Post Options Post Reply Quote deaddog Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 06 December 2006 at 16:45
	A concept gun that is a head of it's time... DD
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Muleskinner Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .416 Rigby AKA The Crotchety ol’ Geezer Joined: 13 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 5285	Post Options Post Reply Quote Muleskinner Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 06 December 2006 at 16:51
	All bullshit aside, if you are looking at a compact 1911 and want the utmost in reliability, consider something from a custom shop. Small size creates reliabilty challenges. The short mag, the small travel to the feed ramp, the short recoil spring. I mentioned that I'm not carrying my compact, and that's because I'm not convinced it is 100% reliable yet. Its getting better, but I may end up biting the bullet and sending it out. The commander style Kimbers are very reliable, and if you get an alloy frame, they're lighter than most compacts. I carry mine in a summer special 2 IWB holster from Milt Sparks (available from Brownells). You can't go wrong with this setup. And since your life may depend on it, don't mess around with crap. If you can afford a REAL custom shop pistol (eg. Ed Brown, Wilson Combat) you can rest assured that it will keep you alive as long as you do your part. Of course, I could tell you to get a Llama with an Uncle Mikes holster and possibly make the Conservation and Ethics forum less catty when you get your ass plugged by some poor stock Montana homeboy, but my ethics prohibit such tactics. A high quality commander size 45 from a custom shop can't really be beat, and the summer special 2 is the most comfortable rig I've tried.
	Mule

dfletcher Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .243 Winchester Joined: 13 December 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 216	Post Options Post Reply Quote dfletcher Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 06 December 2006 at 16:54
	Check out the Dan Wesson 1911s. I have alot of 1911s and really like the DW Bobtail. Tightest & smoothest lock up I've ever found except on a Les Baer, trigger took a little stoning but it's now crisp & light. Really, give them a look.

big open Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .243 Winchester Joined: 08 December 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 171	Post Options Post Reply Quote big open Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 08 December 2006 at 14:49
	thinking of tradeing in my hi-power clone for a all steel 1911 type or EAA in .38 super(+p+) for a field gun and retire my 50+ year old .38Spl. Heavy Duty Smith.Anyone use a .38 Super as a field gun,,with stiff loads? Edited by big open
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