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    Posted: 14 October 2005 at 06:29

Anybody got any opinions on the Colt Python vs. S&W 586/686 debate?

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sir north: i have always thought the python had a look about it...maybe it was the rib on top.. the python was the only colt revolver that i liked the fit in your hand. i had a tropper and it just didnt feel the same as the other. i had a dimound back awhile back and wished i had the python..

  the only other i wish i had would have been was the dimound back .22. i think that would have been the cats ass.

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Assuming that you are comparing same barrel lengths and steel.  I'd opt for the Colt Python.  IMO it is their finest pistol.

Now the S&W is also a good revolver.

This is kind of a Chevy or Ford  type of decision.  But the Python has a better finish than the Smith.

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Sir North;

It depends on the depends.  No finer trigger than a Python, properly done, in good working order.  But they don't tend to stay in good working order all that long.  It is a delicate mechanism.

The S&W will be stone reliable throughout it's stay with you, given that it's also in good working order to begin with.  Although it won't have the silky smoothness of the Python unless it's had the TLC of a competent smith.

So, IMHO, the Python is good for target, enjoyment, and investment.  But I wouldn't carry one daily.  The Smith I would carry.

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the interesting thing on the Python is that if you cock the piece it causes the cylinder to firmly seat on one side of the locking mechanism with the cylinder.  So when cocked the cylinder has no slop.  the synchronizing notches in the cylinder have to have some slop to get the thing to be reliable, but the colt design makes it lock much firmer than the Smith and others.  Now that doesn't mean better syn with the barrel cylinder, but it is more consistent.

I always liked that feature.

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The way you have this comparison set up the Python naturally wins. You are comparing Colts all time best against S&W's average workhorse. Give me a choice of any S&W such as M19, 627 etc and I'd rather have one of those.

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I've always thought the Python was one of the nicest looking handguns around.   Kind of big and heavy to carry though.   I have a Diamondback 22 that I like.  Sort of like having a mini-Python.   Bear has it right about the cylinder lockup.  Colt made it better than Smith did.  

Not that I don't like S&W.  I must like 'em, as I've had a few over the years.  I'd still like to get a pre-lock M66 one of these days.   

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I haven't had a python in my hand for a few years, but when I had my FFL and orderd some, the finish and wood to metal fit was pretty crappy. Definitely overpriced. I prefer the 686
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote North Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 October 2005 at 15:59

Originally posted by saddlesore saddlesore wrote:

I haven't had a python in my hand for a few years, but when I had my FFL and orderd some, the finish and wood to metal fit was pretty crappy. Definitely overpriced. I prefer the 686

I think a S&W Model 686 6" might be in my future, too.

Regards, Marcus.

 



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Here'swhat I shoot but I'd love to get a Python.



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Originally posted by Ash:) Ash:) wrote:

Here's what I shoot but I'd love to get a Python.

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It's a Rossi M986 Cyclops. I couldn't tell you why they call it that but the larger barrel makes it a joy to shoot.
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I had a python, but after looking in my S&W 19 and comparing it to the python, no contest. S&W is the last word in revolvers. Colts have too many frail parts in them to suit me.......Kingpin

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I have a 6" Colt 357 - forerunner of the old model Trooper & Python -and have never had any of the above mentioned problems regarding a frail action.  Because the hand pushes up against the extractor star at firing, with alot of use they can come out of time easier than the Smith but this is an easy fix. 

The Python class is really just a variation of the New Service innards used in the military 1917.  It is more difficult to fine tune and more complicated than the Smith, but still very sturdy.  Still, I agree the quality can be spotty.  I guess the days of knowing your new Python is going to have a top quality fit & finish just because it's a Pyhon are gone. 

I think the real difference between the two is that the Colt has a much longer double action pull that tends to stack towards the end of the pull.  I have many Smiths and the pull is much crisper and easier to control.

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Pythons had an immaculate finish...once. Pythons had a good fit.....once. Pythons had one of the sweetest triggers in a revolver.......once. This was when Colt was owned by Colt. They are now 1/6th owned by Conneticut. About the only thing they are making out now is substandard EVERYTHING.

The frail parts comment I made is true. Remove the side cover on a S&W and a Colt and compare. S&W parts look like they were taken out of rock crushers. S&W revolvers set the standard for all other revolvers as soon as Colt stopped caring. If this weren't true, then even third world shitholes would be armed with Colt revolvers rather than S&W. Colt once was the "World's right hand" but these days, I'd rather be armed with a blow gun than a Colt revolver...................................Kingpin

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I love the Smiths and have plenty of N frames - and quality has gone down at Colt - but putting forth the K frame 19 as an example of a solid 357 goes against experience.  The 19s had alot of problems handling magnum loads.  The K frame is fine for up to 38 Sp,  but if I have to keep track of when I've put "too many 357s" through a 357 mag chambered revolver, I'd call that frail - don't you agree?
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I bought a python new in 1973, fired tens of thousands of rounds through it and every winter I took it to a Colt warrenty center to be retimed. The python was more of a "spitting cobra" than anything else. Nothing but complaints from fellow silhouette shooters when we were on the line. The gun should have been called a Norelco, the way it shaved lead. The model 66, isn't that a K frame? I have a couple of 19's too. None has ever caused as much grief as the python that I bought new in '73 and sold to a guy in 1990. I am not saying not to buy them. I am just saying, that being in the trade, I won't get mudsucked again. I also have several N frames, and to date, reguardless of the caliber, they are all solid enough for me to trust my life with.............Kingpin
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I agree on the N frames - love them all.  BTW, I saw a comment that Smith is introducing a 4" 45 ACP fixed sight, just like their "Thunder Ranch" Model 21.  Hopefully they do the 45 ACP without the gold junk on the sideplate - heard anything about that?
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Not yet, but as long as it's factory leaf, I can deal with it. What drives me crazy are the gold painted logo that guys do at home. I one time blued a rifle that a guy filled with gold paint. He was pissed that I "removed" his handiwork, and asked if I was going to put the gold back on for him. I laughed and gave him the number to the closest Earl Scheib, where they can paint ANY car for $29.95 and told him that if he took it there, I would pay for it. Earl Scheib I am NOT.............................Kingpin
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I have owned both !

   I prefer the PYTHON. One thing anyone who ownes a python needs to do is to get  a couple of spare mainsprings. If you you taje the grips off you will se where the spring has a Vee in the rear corner of the the grip frame. It is udoubtedly a week point. when its ready to go you will notice that your action is getting lighter and lighter. The same is true on the diamondbacks. I think the detective special has the same spring too. While the smith has a flat spring...tj3006

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