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    Posted: 24 April 2005 at 10:18

got the 98 mauser out of the house today for a little exercise - starting load devlopment w/ it using the ladder method.

i found 2 nodes, so far (h-380). the first node produced a group of well under an inch, and the second node grouped a little over an inch.

i am almost thrilled w/ the first node... my target was to develop a load that would group under 2" at 100 yards, and run 2450 - 2500 f/s for velocity. the first node seems to want to run at 2390-ish f/s... not enough room for error, since sierra told me to keep impact velocity up at 2200 f/s. the second node grouped right in my velocity window, but group size wasn't as nice, and now that i have tasted some degree of accuracy from this thing, i would like to keep it. more development and tweaking to come. i got a hunch i can pull it off.

second thing is weight. these mausers are fat pigs. i got a section of the forend hollowed out, and am going to work on the butt a little today and a little tomorrow. very similiar to what boyd's does to their stocks when you select the 'lightweight option' - only i am working w/ a drill, a drill press, a dremel, and sandpaper. brownells is out of stock on the bottom metal i want. evidently will have to wait for more to come in. replacing the bottom metal will cut nearly half a pound off the rifle's weight.

so... what is left on the gun: develop a load, lighten the stock some more, replace the bottom metal and action screws, find something for a recoil pad (the gun is light enough now that recoil is starting to show up, especially w/ handloads), replace the scope and mounts (later this afternoon), and re-finish the stock, now that i have all the inletting and shaping finished up.

we'll see what comes of this when it is done.

as far as money goes, if i would have just started off by cutting the barrel to 19" rather than take all the intermediary steps, my total investment would be $327.60... i still have $80 to go for the bottom metal (+ shipping), so i will have a little over $400 into it - or roughly equivalent to after tax prices of remington 700 adl's (don't know what the sps's are going for), savages, and winchester cheap shadows.

the question is, then... is it worth it? guess it was fun to do once, but i'd rather have a new 700 than do this process on my next pair of 98's...

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Sounds like a fun project either way Dakota. Seems kind of strange seeing you talk about such low velocities, before we know it Klallen will be getting an '06

I'd say if you want another ADL now would be the time to get one, or soon anyway. With the new SPS and the end of the actual ADL a lot of places are clearancing them out. Gander Mountain has them on sale for $340, I'm sure other's will have them cheaper.

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Can I asume you are shooting the 8x57 ?

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bk- oh, klallen's doing better than that... before his 358 sta sidetracked him, he was making noises about getting ahold of a 7.62x39 boltgun... and the 8x57 isn't something i'm particularly impressed w/. it just happens to be the chambering that came w/ the gun... i got the gun because i wanted to work w/ a mauser action - kinda see what they're all about.

and, so, here's the rub... for the same money, i coulda picked up a 700 adl in 7 rem mag... but, hell, i wanted to try a mauser out. not to fear, though... i am starting to home in on my next gun, and the early leader is a 300 rum - though if i could find a solid 7 stw, i'd snatch it up in a heartbeat...

tj- yeah, 8x57. is your metal aluminum or steel? i looked at numrich before and all they showed was steel... i prefer steel, however, i prefer a portable rifle even more, so i'm looking for aluminum. i did find a source today that lists the metal i want for $76 or so, but i don't know if they are in stock...

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kingpin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 April 2005 at 13:34
??????? Why would anyone shoot an '06? We have been informed that they are worthless. Funny thing about that though. No wonder cartridges were shot in the hunting rifle challenge and as I seem to recall, a .30-06 won that. I could be wrong though....................Kingpin
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i put the gun on the scale tonight, and it is at 7 pounds 14 ounces. so, i've already hit my target weight of 8 pounds or less. no pics available right now - it needs lots of cosmetic work, still; i haven't hollowed out the butt, yet either. i'm thinking i can get this thing to come in at around 7.5 pounds when its all ready to go...
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what weight bullet you shooting?

and h-380 is your powder, right?

imr 4064 always did best for me in the 8x57, 185s and 200s.

i think you could easily reach your velocity window AND make your group size parameters.

you bedded that rascal yet? (sorry, can't remember your previous posts, dak. bedded or not, make sure the triggerguard/mag assembly does not bind in the stock, and make sure it snugs down without warping. this one little thing can be huge for consistent accuracy. i don't know much 'bout no remingtons, and less about and winchesters and rugers. but i've messed with a sackful of mausers.)

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fish- i'm using 175 sierra pro-hunters, h-380, federal 215's, and am going thru my metric ton of s&b brass. i don't do imr powders... it took me a year to wean my rifles from it, and i ain't going back now, even though hodgdon now has 'em and has put it in decent containers. the combination i'm working w/ is certainly showing some potential. we'll see if i can tap that.

no, i didn't bed it. i decided not to since this will be a dedicated brush gun. i just never could warm up to the lever action for brush hunting, so i had a niche that needed to be filled, and this seemed to be the right gun for the job. anyway, since this thing will likely never take a shot at game much beyond 75 yards (and most will probably be in 30 yard area), i figured that bedding wasn't worth the effort, and i didn't want to add any weight - no matter how minute.

i'm not done w/ the work-ups - not even close. i found an accuracy node early on in the development (50-ish grains), and only carried it out to 54 grains. i think some more testing in the 54-56 range will yield some results that i can work w/, and after that i'll put some groups on paper and see where it is at.

the military bottom metal fits snugly in the stock, but 'snaps' in and out just fine, so i don't think there's any binding going on.

this is my last week of school, then a week of finals, so i likely won't get anywhere w/ this (or any) rifle for about 2 weeks. however, i'll post results when its all in. probably have a week of cosmetic work to do w/ the stock (i have a little more shaping i want to do, too), and i don't know what to do w/ the steel... maybe i'll just paint that?? dunno what to do w/ it - but something needs to be done.

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shoot, i'd just go over it with 220 grit where needed, then 0000 steel wool, then cold blue. if you cook most of the old oil out of that stock, betcha it'll perk right up with hand-rubbed linseed oil.

i'd still consider bedding it under the flat just behind the recoil lug and under the tang so there is no way it can moved back and forth in that old stock, even just the teensiest, recoil-induced bit. that rascal might just shock you.

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the problem w/ polishing the existing steel is the one part where the handguard used to attach. it is heavily pitted there. everything else is in great shape and would turn out nicely w/ a polish and blueing. but that pitted area... right on top where it is very hard to not notice. i just don't know what to do. was kicking the idea around of a textured primer, then rattle-can some earth-tone colors. the textured primer would help hide the pits. however, i don't like ugly rifles. so... maybe polish it, re-blue it, and just live w/ the pits... when i get ready to start the stock work, i'll put some pics up and see if anybody has a better solution. i'm not fond of painted rifles, but this one might be a candidate.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote fish Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 April 2005 at 02:55
well then, how about bead-blasting that rascal, THEN rattle-canning it? or fill the pits with bondo or jb weld, dress it off, THEN paint? lots o' ways to hide the "character."
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Dakotasin, I've been reloading for an 8X57 sporterized '98 for about ten years. I used to load Hornady 170 Gr. roundnose but I tried pushing them too fast and ended up chasing wounded deer all over hell and back. I'd recover a small chunk of lead and a whole batch of copper flakes when I finally found the deer. About 3 years ago I went to 180 gr. Nosler Ballistic tips. I can't tell you what my load is because my reloading stuff is still packed from the move. I'm using WW primers and H-380. If I do my part it'll lay 3 shots in 1.25 at 100 yds. This old girl's got a Bishop stock with ebony fore end and a Tasco that's so old that the cross hairs move when you adjust it. Whoever tapped it didn't get it straight and when I first got the gun the cross hairs were in the lower left corner. I put a set of MIllet windage adjustable rings on it so now the cross hairs are centered anyway. It also had some diamonds about an inch long by 1/2 inch wide cut along the forend. Whatever was in them has long since disappeared and somebody filled them with plastic wood. I'm thinking maybe it was Ivory? RD
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glad to see i'm on the right track w/ 380. i think it will do well. i picked it because it seems to have the best load density of the suitable powders.

heading into finals and turning in final projects, so no shooting for the entire next week(!)... i'll probably go thru withdrawals!

you very well may have had ivory in that stock at one time, depending on how old the stock really is.

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