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    Posted: 25 October 2003 at 01:56

Well,

    I know lawdog's got one of these, but I still haven't heard any feedback on to how well the thing shoots.  Anyone got one, and loving or hating it? 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 October 2003 at 02:36

Didn't Winchester recall some of these????

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 October 2003 at 02:08

They have had nothing but trouble with these rifles and there are VERY few of them in the hands of the average shooter. They are now trying the old "chrome lining" smoke screen. From what I've seen its more of a case, powder, problem than a barrel problem.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 October 2003 at 08:35

 

Well, D.F.C. doesn't know what he is talking about, AGAIN. They are one of the hottest selling calibers for Winchester at this time. There is no feeding problems with them as some rumors have stated. No problems with brass, they are NOT barrel burners as many would have you think. You can "burn" the barrel out on any caliber if you feed it a constant diet of hot loads. As for his statement "there are VERY few of them in the hands of the average shooter" this is another rumor being spread around by the unknowing. They spread these same rumors when Winchester released the WSM line. They were all proved WRONG. Lawdog

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 October 2003 at 11:00
Ok lawdog, you lit the match, but how about answering the the question? I know you only do handloads, did you ever get any descent results? Last I knew you were playing with it but not getting the accuracy you wanted, can you fill us in on more up to date results?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 October 2003 at 13:20

Lawdawg is a BS artist, he didn't have a Winchester 223 WSSM when he first started telling all of the world he did. I have shot one made by Browning that had a NON-chrome lined barrel several months ago. He on the other hand never had one to do any shooting with, so, he's at a loss to feed us some more of his bullshit. I've read some of his BS on other sites and I know for a fact he's a artist. By the way Winchester's not shipping WSSM's, however Browning is. This info may help you get your story straight...

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"#173464 - 07/05/03 07:47 PM

I bought a M70 Coyote in the .223 WSSM and while still working on loads it shoots under an inch, sometime close to 1/2 inch. I only have one complaint and that is that darn laminated stock. Replacing it with a nice piece of European Walnut from Royal Arms soon. Lawdog"

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 October 2003 at 14:22
Dan, welcome back!!!! LOL!!!! Yes, I looked at the fabled WSM line and found that they were only bullshit, both on paper and through practical application. Of course, this cost us several high dollar barrels and a month of wasting ammo. If you want a magnum, get a magnum, don't use the bullshit blend because they have less recoil. If you give up recoil for speed, you give up everything that the caliber was designed for................Kingpin
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 October 2003 at 18:57

I've not heard a single reliable first-hand report on these WSSM's.   There's a heck of a lot of them from Browning available on various auction sites, but don't know anyone jumping to get one.  If it is a case, powder issue like DFC suggests, I'd imagine someone would be able to fit the pieces of the puzzle together from the reloading bench sooner or later.  I certainly wouldn't count out fiddling with one some time in the future but something else in .224 ain't all that high on the priority list right now.

Now the WSM's, I'd love to have something built around that case in .257.  I think that would be a sweet little antelope rig, falling somewhere between the .25-06 and .257 WbyMag.  I'd be happy with that.  This project could be a reality sooner than later.

Anyway, I guess I'm waiting for reports I can trust on the WSSM's like you, SS.  >>  klallen

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 October 2003 at 16:56

Klallen !

   Just for your information I was shooting next to a guy at the range a while back who had a ruger # 1 in a .25wsm wildcat. I think it was done by montana rifle co. But I could be wrong about that. The thing was superbly accurate, but the guy was a bit dissapointed in his velocity. This was his first range session, and the brass probably required a bit of fire forming witch would slow things down a little. And of corse he was using a guessed at starting load so I am sure it would do better with a little tweeking. He was getting a bout the same as his 25,06 but I am afraid i do'nt remember any thing specific exept it looked like fun to me, but hell  I like any thing that shoots !

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 October 2003 at 09:14
WSM tastes great or less filling? Shot one in .243 wsm the gentleman said still like my .243 VLS better what is the point of seeing if the round can go faster you still have to hit something with it. Also what do you really gain; can the .243 now stop a moose or elephant in its tracks?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 October 2003 at 09:24

Hi TJ  >>  Thanks for the report.  I'd imagine if your friend is only getting .25-06 velocities with his .257 WSM, he's gonna have to pour more coals to the fire    .  I'd imagine being his first range session, he's come to that conclusion, as well.  If ya get the opportunity to witness further load development with this fella and his #1, I'd sure like to hear about it.  Thanks.

Hey J, nothing to go on here but simple opinion, but I'm thinking that the difference between a .243 Win. and a .243 WSM would be rather astounding, given appropriate barrel lengths for the cartridges in question.  Chat with ya both later.  >>  klallen

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 October 2003 at 11:27

 

D.F.C.,

I’m not the one spreading rumors, innuendoes, falsehoods and our right lies son, you are. If you ever did any reading you would know that all the gun rags are printing reports on the WSSM’s - take the current issue of Gun World and even Outdoor Life did one a month or so ago. All reports say no feeding problems with the rifles tested even though they used the short, thin buggy whip barrels they also reported good to excellent accuracy. But of course you know way much more than any of the writers in these magazines. Anyone can just ask you and you’ll tell them(you always do). If you had done any research at all you wouldn’t have showed your crown as the "Reining BS Artist". From what you have said I now know what value to give to anything you post, $.02(for what your opinion is worth). From now on I shall ignore any and all of your future ranting’s(postings). Lawdog

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 October 2003 at 14:13

Well, Lawdawg, I don't put much value on what the gun rags have to say about one of their major advertisers products. I would rather buy one and find out for myself. Furthermore, you said you had a rifle that wasn't even being shipped from Winchester, and that is the issue here. I will back up anything I say with pictures or what ever it takes to show and tell. How about you showing us your Winchester 223 WSSM.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 November 2003 at 14:14
Sorry to resurrect an old conversation but I tripped across my first ever Winchester & Browning .223 WSSM's today.  Held'em.  Even considered the $480 price tag of teh Winchester doable on a lay-away program.  Didn't, but it's in the back of my head now.  The action was extremely gritty.  Lots of oil and debris for some reason.  With cleaning, I'd imagine things might smooth up.?.?.?.?.?  One thing's for sure, those stocks are just about as hideous as they come.  Kind of reminds me of the way they try to spice up the soles of cheap sneekers off the discount rack.  A laminated drop-in would do this gun wonders.  The Browning was returned without a single shot fired from the original owner cause the gun mags. told him it was a barrel burner.   Silly.  Still one of the strangest new little cartridge ideas I think I've seen.  My .243 Win. makes the .243 WSSM useless to me, but not having anything in the .22-250, .220 Swift class at this time, I'll admit, I am curious about the .223 WSSM.  >>  klallen 
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    As you know I love modle 70,s but those black plastic stocks are awfull !   I have seen a few latly in a cammo version and it looks alot better.  I like wood but a good synthetick or laminated is fine too.But a rifle with cheap plastic stock is just not apealing to me. The cartrige does seem cool though. A few gun writers are trying to show that they are deer rifles. As far as I am concerned thats bs, Great for coyotes and smaller, mabye with an X-bullet for prong horn. But not for the mule deer i hunt ! no way !

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 November 2003 at 00:29
Lawdog, just out of curiosity, have you ever heard the saying... "Give the people what they want"? That is what the gun writers and editors live by these days.

I would much rather have a .204 Ruger than a .223 or .243 WSSM. Costs much less to me because i can just borrow one like i did the Red Label 20 gauge.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 November 2003 at 11:40

"I would much rather have a .204 Ruger than a .223 or .243 WSSM."

I don't mind the sound of the .204 Ruger, but I'd take a .223 WSSM in a Ruger M77 Mark II VT over it.  I just don't think it'll ever happen, since I don't see Ruger jeapordizing possible sales of their new cartridge by offering another new varmint round.  Maybe if both cartridges take off, it'll happen.?.?.?.?.?  We'll see.  >> klallen

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 November 2003 at 13:07

Fella's;

Yup, a lot of choices out there if one were to be contemplating buying a new small centerfire varmint rifle.  Which I am doing.  But I also do believe that I've made my mind up as to what I'm going to get.  haven't spent the money yet, so things could change, but I doubt it.

I haven't seen anything in all the new cartridges to make me change my mind from the .223.  It's cheap to shoot.  Available in a LHB rifle.  From all reports it'll do the job out to 250 yards or so on varmints.  And that could be 50 yards short.

If I need more poop, I've already got the .220 Swift and/or the 6mm Remington.  If I need less, I've got several highly accurate .22lr's. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 November 2003 at 13:29

I'm very interested in the new Ruger cartridge. I'd like it in a 700 action with a Shilen Match barrel. Just the ticket for shooting little dogs, when barrel heat is a factor.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 November 2003 at 14:33
Don't mean to rock the boat . . .  . . . but I wonder if the manufacturers ever heard of the .240 Weatherby Magnum . . . will do anything these new "little squirts" will do . . . and then some.  Hi Dan!  Keep the neophytes squared away!  
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