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    Posted: 01 May 2010 at 12:54

How can you tell what kind of sights your gun is cut for? Novak, Kimber, Colt, etc. I have a BoMar on now.

 

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don't know but I bet the others are different........my Bo-Mar is a standard type dovetail shape approx 5/16" wide at the base...but the width of the DT may be propriatary to each brand of sight.  A check of the Brownell's website/catalog would maybe give you the answer.  Try www.brownells.com   that's a guess for address.

 

 

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What brand of pistol is it?  That has a great deal to do with the cut.  Gun manufacturer's adopt proprietary cuts, particularly for front sights, and sight companies offer those cuts on their products.  If you send your slide to say Novaks, they'll install the correct sights properly and ship your slide back to you directly (no FFL needed).
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DD, what's wrong with the BoMar? I have had nothing but good luck and great repeatability with them........................Kingpin
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maybe DD is looking fer one of the new fangled sights with rounded off edges etc so's they don't catch on anything or nite sites or ????

My Bo-Mar has square corners etc since it is of many yrs ago manufacture and a target type.

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 New gun for me. Everything has been customized. Ports, trigger,springs safety, grips,barrel,bushing, etc. I have the rear sight cranked all the way down and still everything from ball to my 185gr plinkers are 2' high. Most of my trouble is from the front sight. It was about 3/8" tall before I started mowing it down. Guy I bought it from said it was "regulated" for 50yd targets. While I've never heard the term "regulated" bantered around other than African double rifles I got a good deal and it has weeks of work done to it. Problem is some of the work may be in the wrong direction. I stuck my Kimber .22 conversion on the frame and it never shot better. Perfect trigger. The .45 part needs some tuning...

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Is the front sight staked?  I've changed front sights before.  Just get the correct angle safe side files and buy a higher one.  If it's staked, I'd send it to a smith so they can shear it clean or drill out the stake.  That's one of those things I won't do myself without a sight pusher.  My sight pusher is rear only. 

HOWEVER, it sounds like your pistol is hitting right where I want one to hit.  I like to see my bullets hit the paper.  Besides, in a high adrenaline situation, I am probably more apt to jerk the trigger (causing a lower hit) than to mismanage the recoil.  Also, it works out better when I'm instinctive shooting using only the front sight.  I sight in my 1911s to hold on 6:00 on a 50 ft. NRA target and take out the black.  If you don't shoot a 1911 alot, you might also tighten your offhand grip to see if that doesn't bring your POI down.



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Mule: You like them to print two feet high?

 

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I'm sorry, I thought you said 2" high.  In that case.  Get a new front.  If it's dovetail, you can do it yourself with the proper safe side file.  Either that, or do it Kentucky style and aim at the crotch.  If you replace it, use red Threadlock to keep it in place.  One drop on each edge of the dovetail will do the trick.

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Geeze IBD, I can't seem to say anything that doesn't get you riled. You're mad about the rifle thing, now you're mad about a reference here. WTF?? If all you want to do is preach, let me know and I'll get out of the way. Hells fire, I'm not trying to start a flame war...........................Kingpin

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It is the front I'm having problems with. It was the biggest thing I've seen on one. I've been filing it down and testing and have cut it down by about half now. Now all the grinding action has loosened it up.

 

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DD, I am sure you know, that by lowering the front sight you actually raise the group. If you are shooting high, don't file it anymore. If it's loose, staking a new one will be what you need. When I buiild a .45, I silver solder a front sight that I make. It never comes off and doesn't get loose.............................Kingpin
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I've gone up down and all around with this thing. I shoulda known when I saw the size of that front sight when I got it. The guy I got it from said it shot high and I saw it had a bunch of adjustment left in the rear so I didn't think it was going to be a problem. I was wrong.

 

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Originally posted by Kingpin Kingpin wrote:

DD, I am sure you know, that by lowering the front sight you actually raise the group. If you are shooting high, don't file it anymore. If it's loose, staking a new one will be what you need. When I buiild a .45, I silver solder a front sight that I make. It never comes off and doesn't get loose.............................Kingpin

That's the best way to do a sight, but dovetails can be just as secure if they're tightly cut.  That red shit ain't bad, either.  I distinctly told him to put on a "higher one."  I don't know why he would be filing the sight down.

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The "offender" half it's orignal height is on the left a normal fixed un-messed with front on the right

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But it depends on the height of the rear and the length of the sight radius.  If you lower the front, you raise the muzzle and the bullet will hit higher.  If you raise the rear sight, it lowers the muzzle and the bullet hits lower.  Send the slide with the rear on it and KP or Novaks or XS Sights and they'll put the right height front sight for you.  I generally have them put a smidge lower than specified in the math so I can see my bullets hit.

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My original question was how to determine what kind of cut my rear dovetail was and what else would fit. I realized early on that a .350" front sight was not going to work for me.I figured I was going with a whole new sight set-up. First I tested different ammo and rear sight adjustments from where it was when I got it to full up and down elevations. I ran sight height calculators, did all the measurements then tried to fiddle with the geometry. I switched barrel lengths from 6" to 5", switched bushings, with and without a compensator, Hey, I may have made it worse but I wasn't going to leave the front sight that high either.

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Sometimes front cuts aren't the same as rear ones.  Wilson, for instance, uses a proprietary cut on the front and a Novak cut on the rear.
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IBD, I seriously doubt it was the "sip" comment. I believe I  was  upset long before that.......................Kingpin

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