is the .410 a "serious" shotgun?

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   can you actually hunt with it, or is it more like a .22? just for close-range rabbits or something like that? or a kid's gun?

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TasunkaWitko Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Administrator aka The Gipper Joined: 10 June 2003 Location: Chinook Montana Status: Offline Points: 14753	Post Options Post Reply Quote TasunkaWitko Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: is the .410 a "serious" shotgun? Posted: 05 October 2003 at 13:58
	can you actually hunt with it, or is it more like a .22? just for close-range rabbits or something like that? or a kid's gun?
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Wing master Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Administrator AKA StraightShooter Joined: 10 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 8029	Post Options Post Reply Quote Wing master Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 06 October 2003 at 16:07
	I think you would have to be somewhat of an expert shotgunner to be very good with a .410. People give them to kids without trying to use one themselves. In my humble opinion This would discourage a kid. Go out shooting all day and miss most shots. Give a kid a 20 guage and load some light on powder and heavy on shot loads so they will hit some targets. Also hand throwers work very well for kids. You can throw clay's alot slower than they throw them at the trap range. Wing master
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Spot shooter Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Left BSB in Disgrace Banned Joined: 19 June 2003 Location: Bahrain Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote Spot shooter Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 06 October 2003 at 16:13
	Wing Master is dead one on this one. I almost made the mistake of giving my son a 410. He's got a Winchester 1300 20 guage youth model and loves it. Spot

NH_Hunter Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .416 Rigby aka The Kid Joined: 13 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3508	Post Options Post Reply Quote NH_Hunter Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 October 2003 at 00:49
	Hey spot, that is the shotgun that i have been using. I am getting a loner Ruger Red Label in 20 gauge this year. I just dont like having one barrel, i just gotta have two I figure that the less cartridge capacity that you give a starting kid, the better they will be. I am a pretty good shot at rabbits, when my beagle gets them to me. I started with a Savage Stevens 94k shotgun with a shortened barrel and shortened LOP NH_Hunter
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Triggerguard Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .416 Rigby aka The San Antonio Terminator Joined: 13 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2212	Post Options Post Reply Quote Triggerguard Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 October 2003 at 07:10
	.410 is fine for rabbits and squirrels, and other critters that aren't moving much when you shoot at them. For wingshooting, it is a gun for a damn good shot, and not for beginners.
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soggyshooter Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .375 Holland & Holland Magnum Joined: 11 June 2003 Location: Antigua And Barbuda Status: Offline Points: 886	Post Options Post Reply Quote soggyshooter Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 08 October 2003 at 11:38
	I don't have a .410 and I have no use for one. Others may and that's fine with me. I have a .20ga that works for me. Would like a 12, but I don't need one.

Kingpin Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .416 Rigby aka Old IronSides Joined: 01 July 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 11716	Post Options Post Reply Quote Kingpin Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 09 October 2003 at 11:27
	.410's are absolutely delightful. The felt recoil is minimal and they are nice to carry. Wing hit the nail on the head about their being an experts gun though. They would be frustrating for a kid to try to learn. 20 Ga is perfect for kids. I only have one .410. I don't use it much, but it's there if I want to............Kingpin
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NH_Hunter Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .416 Rigby aka The Kid Joined: 13 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3508	Post Options Post Reply Quote NH_Hunter Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 09 October 2003 at 12:11
	I think that it would be fun to have a 9410. I just think the idea of it is cool, and old. The Winchester model 1887 was the first sucessful lever-shotgun. First repeater i believe. NH_Hunter
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Triggerguard Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .416 Rigby aka The San Antonio Terminator Joined: 13 June 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2212	Post Options Post Reply Quote Triggerguard Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 10 October 2003 at 06:28
	I remember reading once about a writer duck hunting with Robert Staack (the actor and and champion skeet/trap shooter). Staack was using a .410 for wingshooting ducks. Asked how he could be sure of kills, he answered, "easy, I just hit 'em in the head."
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The_Mountaineer Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .416 Rigby West BY-GOD Virginian! Joined: 02 July 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2653	Post Options Post Reply Quote The_Mountaineer Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 10 October 2003 at 06:55
	Well I'm no expert shotgunner but I can hold my own. I'll be takin that old Winchester single shot 410 with me after tree rats tomorrow.

Kingpin Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .416 Rigby aka Old IronSides Joined: 01 July 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 11716	Post Options Post Reply Quote Kingpin Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 12 October 2003 at 02:45
	Robert Stack? Few if any know that he won the Grand National in Vandalia Ohio when he was 16. That was in the 1930's sometime. I seem to remember something about that duck hunt that you mentioned Tash, but I don't remember if I saw it on TV or not. Yep, 'ole Bob Stack is a shooter.................Kingpin
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mausermann Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .22 LongRifle Joined: 03 October 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 147	Post Options Post Reply Quote mausermann Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 09 November 2003 at 07:15
	I like a boltgun in 72 ga. (410 bore ) for tree rats,i wont shoot into trees with a rifle,, and bunnies at distance at the sit,,but the new 94410 is whispering to me lately,,,if you shoot a full choke then my obsevation is small shot,,71/2-8's,,works better,,get a rare modified and 5's-6' seem to be better,,but as usual,,each gun is different.Yeah,,Staack was a real gunner right up the present,,,he was at most if not all the calif.celeb. shoots.That goofy wayne pierson shoots a browning superposed in 410 on his show and though he is pretty good,,his is known to do do it as a affectation,,he seems impressed with himself and seems too bossy to his guests on his show,,especially if they dont shower his shooting with praise,,,my take on it........................ISH-KA-BIBBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
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maxpressure Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .22 LongRifle Joined: 21 July 2003 Status: Offline Points: 398	Post Options Post Reply Quote maxpressure Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 December 2003 at 09:57
	It is the worlds' finest doves-over-a small-water-hole-shotgun. max .

Guests Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Guest	Post Options Post Reply Quote Guests Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 29 December 2003 at 06:43
	The 410 is not a 'serious' shotgun, it is just a shotgun .........for the 'serious shooters'. I've hunted rabbits with one and the carrying advantges are great. Over beagles the shots are usually close and fast, which is where the 410 shines. I would never recommend it as a start gun for a kid to hunt with. It is ok for a kid to practice with. I think the biggest mistake is giving a kid a lightweight gun and have him/her shoot field loads. Some of those single 20 guage H&Rs kick like sin. Not a good introduction to shooting sports. I think Bob Stack WAS a good shooter, a gentleman, and WW2 vet. BEAR

maxpressure Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .22 LongRifle Joined: 21 July 2003 Status: Offline Points: 398	Post Options Post Reply Quote maxpressure Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 29 December 2003 at 07:48
	Bear, I have setting here a rather beat up New Haven/Mossberg model 283 .410 bolt gun. The barrel has been cut to 21 inches and has .003 choke. The stock has been cut to 11" l.o.p including a 1.10' kick eez pad. It throws the most beautifull round, even patterns at 22 yards with 1/2 oz of 8.5s ! It and a Mec single stage reloader go as a package to new kid shooters who have a Dad or Mom who care enough to over see them. After a familiarzation session, or two or three or how ever many it takes, the kid gets to keep posession until he/she outgrows it or tires of the game. I put it together some years ago for a grandson too little to handle any thing else, and too old to not go with me to the skeet field. It has made the rounds amongst the shooters at our local club. It is used at our Hunter Safety courses to introduce new young shooters to live fire. It is easy to oversee a kid single loading the bolt action and teaches them to save those empties. Put a young person on station 7 and let them shoot an incomer until they blast it and gain some confidence and PRESTO! a new shooter is born. Many families around here have 'owned ' it for a couple years. I send the loader set up and ready to go so the high cost of .410 ammo is not a factor. One bag of shot is good for 800 rounds! Under these conditions it is absolutely perfect. YOu are so right about light 20s and 7/8ths or one ounce loads. That will teach a kid real quick that shooting hurts. Try this one: #16 bushing in a Mec 9000- International Clays- New AA 20 wad- 3/4 oz shot- RemingtonPremier case. This load will not operate a Remington 1100 action and clocks 1050 fps from a 20" 870 barrel. It is sooo mild yet powders targets. Shot in a tubed 12 quage it is kickless and my favorite skeet load now in 20 quage. Low pressure and super patterns. max .

Guests Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Guest	Post Options Post Reply Quote Guests Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 29 December 2003 at 12:14
	Max, You are right, I did similiar with a 410 when I taught hunter safety courses. I've got a bolt action Mossberg with choke tubes. Actually the barrel is a little to long with the added length of the action. sounds like you had yours cut? I always wanted to get some of those Savage drop in tubes to convert a 12 guage double to a 410. Remington use to make a barrel weight with its shotguns. It was just a lead weighted 3 shot plug for the magazine tube. It was mainly for trap shooters as it added weight and minimized recoil. the same thing could be used with gas auto like the 1100 to tame the recoil completely. BEAR

Adobe Walls Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .30/06 SpringField Joined: 09 August 2003 Status: Offline Points: 373	Post Options Post Reply Quote Adobe Walls Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 25 January 2004 at 15:00
	I think if you consider your .410 a "big" rifle, and aim it thusly, then you will get along with it's patterns pretty good. It just requires a lot of dedication to become a fair wing shot on small birds with a .410. As a foragers small game gun it certainly has supplied a lot of meat over the last century.AW

drinksgin Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .243 Winchester Joined: 17 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 218	Post Options Post Reply Quote drinksgin Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 October 2004 at 14:29
	You are getting to my start in hunting, a Western Field sxs, .410 size frame, 24" f&f , 3" chamber, my 6th birthday present[ long time ago, my parents would likely go to prison for that now]. Got white wings and ruddy ducks with it the first year, 1946, tried several sizes of shot, settled on #6 for squirrel ,duck and rabbit. 7 1/2 or 8, what I could find for dove and scaled quail. It will teach a person range and lead, when you graduate to a 20 or larger, it seems to be too easy to hit the game.:] I still have the gun, it still does fine, better than my arthritis will let me do. Must admit , I have used a 20ga sxs for the last 40 years more than the .410, only because it is easier .;] Don
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vapodog Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List .22 LongRifle Joined: 12 November 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 36	Post Options Post Reply Quote vapodog Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 November 2004 at 10:44
	The problem with the .410 isn't so much the shell itself as the way most of them are made.....cheap and for kids.....they don't fit well, don't hold well.....and all in all are guns that are just difficult to shoot. I then bought a Winchester 101 in .410 and wow...what a difference and what a gun to hunt with. It's as good a quail and dove gun as anyone could want.....it's a great fun gun and it fits like a fine piece which it is. Get the kid a .410 for the smaller birds and get a 3" and a case of 7 1/2 or 8 shot and get a gun that fits him!!! The problem is that it's a damn sight easier to find a youth model 1300 or 870 in 20 Ga or something like that than a fine .410.....and in that vein the 20 ga has to win out.

TasunkaWitko Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Administrator aka The Gipper Joined: 10 June 2003 Location: Chinook Montana Status: Offline Points: 14753	Post Options Post Reply Quote TasunkaWitko Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 17 November 2004 at 05:02
	vapodog - welcome to the baitshop! always a pleasure and a learning experience to read your posts. do you ahve an opinion on the lever-action .410s such as produced by winchester and marlin?
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