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    Posted: 12 July 2010 at 10:43
Hey everyone I know I don't post much up here any more but I got a question for ya gun heads. I just got a sweet 16 browning from my dad and also a old browning pump 16 guage. any comments on these guns I know they are atleast 30 years old or I am pretty sure. Nice scroll work on the sweet 16. the pump is a work horse not so pretty. Also got a trooper 357 as well. Sorta neat getting some guns that were my grandpa's but would like to know more about them. thanks for any comments or opinions.
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Got1, Nice guns!  All kinds of 16 gauge info here:

http://www.16ga.com/forum/index.php

In fact, I think ANYTHING you ever wanted to know about a 16 gauge is on there.  I lurked on there for a while after I got my Win. Model 12 16 gauge.  RD

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don't know a thing about your new aquisitions but I do have one 16ga it is a hammer dbl gun of hardware store "manufacture" I think. 

say RD thanks for posting that 16ga site.....I noticed some sxs shooting events posted there and will check with them if they have more coming up later this summer or fall.  sounds like that could be fun....sxs's are my favorite shotgun type for upland game......



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Browning Sweet 16's are one of the guns I have been looking to add to my accumulation. Great gun. The only problem is the prices have gone up in the last several years. Way up. I guess thats not a problem for you.

I don't see the pictures.

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the sweet 16 is just a 16ga Browning Auto 5, importantly the frame is made specifically for the smaller 16 ga.

You should check to see if one the barrel it says" 2 3/4 inch shells".  many early ones where made for the shorter 2 9/16 inch shells, and just say "16 ga".  if doubt measure the chamber.

16 ga (any model) are great, I hunt with 1`6 ga singles and pumps al the time.

your sweet 16 is a recoil operated action made by FN and probably says: Made in Belgium on the barrel.  They are fine hunting guns and very collectably.  The vent rib model is the most pricey.  I've seen some with poly chokes or Cutts compensators installed which hurts the value but does make for a better 'hunter'.

Trooper was the lower cost gun for colt, the Python being considerably more $$$  then and now.   It is a very servicable revolver.  I think Colt was hoping to get the police business with it, but most service revolvers were S&W.

Browning pumps are newer guns being made since the late 1970s to date, made in Japan by Miroku.  Since they eject out the bottom, they were/are popular for wrong hand persons.Wink

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Sorry about that wingmaster

Great info bear and all of ya...the barell does say 2 3/4 it also says belgium if I remeber right. I will post up pics when I get back to Wyoming. I was also wrong about the pump it is a winchester 16 gauge.....arounf the same age as the sweet 16. I'm not sure about all the vented stuff but maybe from my pics you guys will be able to tell me...again thanks for the feed back !

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Where in Wyoming?
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can't see pics????
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I live in Powell about 20 miles north of cody and 40 miles sout of the montana border
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Not yet maybe early next week fellas
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Ok I got some pics of the shotguns for ya guys. The first pics will be the sweet 16 then a couple of the winchester pump. I really don't know anything about this one so please let me know

both together

and here is the roughest spot

also the one thing my dad told me was he had the sight replaced and when he picked it up from the guy he didn't use a original browning front site. I might look into getting this fixed

and now the winchester

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The Win Model 12 is very collectable too and may be worth more than the Browning. When operating it (other than after fired) it takes a slight forward motion of the slide before you pull back. THIS IS NORMAL! I have a model 12 16 also. Mine has a solid rib on the barrel but only has a 2 5/8" chamber. The ejection port on the 2 5/8 guns is too short to eject 2 3/4" fired hulls. Some guys ground out port with a Dremel Tool or die grinder which allows them to eject but really ruins the collectability. Yours should be just fine with the 2 3/4" chamber. I use 2 1/2" shells in mine or roll crimp trimmed 2 3/4" hulls. These guns are take down. I can do it but it's hard to describe. You have to unhook the action bar and then the barrel and fore end turn 90* to seperate. Very nice gun. RD
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Nice looking guns there GOT 1 4U...a nice prize....... the M12 take down.......very like/similar to the M97's RD...'cept they have the pin to push at the front end of mag tube, then turn bbl to remove......yup, the M97 a real fine shotgun from which the M12 may have been conceived.....
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The 97 is indeed a nice handling shotgun. But rumor has it that cold fingers letting down the exposed hammer sent more jonboats to Davy Jones' Locker than all other duck guns combined.  RD
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Originally posted by Rockydog Rockydog wrote:

The 97 is indeed a nice handling shotgun. But rumor has it that cold fingers letting down the exposed hammer sent more jonboats to Davy Jones' Locker than all other duck guns combined.  RD


Never heard that B4 'cept in another post by you but it certainly could be true....BUT the M97 sounds like a bank vault when you cycle the action.....solid steel working in harmony with the slide movement...same forward motion trick with the slide to cycle action on a non-fired gun.....similar has been said about the M94 Win too ie as far as accidental discharges via a slipped hammer BUT I have never seen a whole lot of actual documentation to back that up either.  In fact several years ago the WDNR did publish to us hunter safety instructors that the M94 should be discourged by us to young hunters as being an unsafe firearm.......to which I said "Bull"...10's of thousands of young hunters started hunting with M94's with no problems.....just use your head as well as yer thumb on the "hammer"......teach them SAFETY the purpose of the course.
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Thanks guys...Now i feel like I know a little more about them...How much do you guys think it would be to get the front site re-done to the original style? I have never had a gun smith do any work
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I had a barrel cut off about a half inch and a new sight installed and it cost $10.00. I think that was a good price, but I dont think it will be too much.

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re short chambered mod 12 16ga.  I had my chamber lengthened (easy) and it ejects the 2 3/4 shells smooth as cat S*it.

Push the pin on the tube thru till it sticks out the other side, rotate the mag tube about 120 degress and move it forward.  then rotate the barrel 90 degrees and remove.

 

Lots of guys like me remove those high front sight.  Your gun like mine doesn't have a rib.  So Browning puts a high base on the front to bring it up to the same place as the bead would be IF it had a rib.  This makes sense.  But lots of guys, like me, find it anoying and sticking up a distraction when shooting.  I just take them off (really don't need a sight on a shotgun), and shoot with my eye/head pointing.

nice guns.  esp the Browning.  have fun with the magazine cut-off, but be careful it can "hide" rounds in the magazine and be unsafe.

 

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Is that why the model 11 Remington doesn't have a magazine cut off?

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In a sporting long gun, I see no reason for a magazine cut-off.  The Military liked cut-offs,  for training purposes (03 Springfield, etc).  I think that John Browning was primarily a military designer.

I believe I remember one of the Savage companies also made a Browning Auto-5 knock-off without a mag cut-off.  I suspect that Remington just wanted to save cost by omitting an unnecessary design feature. 

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