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Joined: 02 July 2003
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Posted: 18 September 2003 at 04:26
Well to me a"fine" rifle is not only "fine" in looks but in performance as well.
To me, there are no "fine" synthetic stock rifles. "Fine" rifles to me are hand checked walnut stocks and the like. Nope, not even laminates qualify in my book.
As for perfmance, a "fine" rifle is consistently under 1 inch at a 100 yards with 3 - 5 shot groups with the majority of ammo tried.
Now don't get me wrong, I like the black matte synthetic jobbies too. I just consider these "durable" rather than "fine" and yes I do have about 3 of these "durable" rifles as well as a few "fine" rifles as well.
Joined: 10 June 2003
Location: Canada
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Points: 293
Posted: 18 September 2003 at 08:17
While I am primarily concerned with performance issues as well, a rifle that I would define as a "fine" one would have to be a consistent grouper, and still be good enough looking that I would not have to hide when I saw another hunter approaching. I DO prefer a good looking wood stock, walnut or other [tiger maple comes to mind], but also begrudgingly acknowledge that the synthetics are more likely to retain their "zero" in adverse conditions. So, I do own a couple of those too. I feel that they are a bit ugly, but very functional. Both are extremely accurate, and hold their zeros well. "Fine" rifles.....I guess they could be classified as such. But I do have a slew of Fine rifles with good looking wood on them too. All a matter of perspective, I would say. If it doesn't shoot, it's not much good, even if it looks good. Regards, Eagleye.
Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level & then beat you with experience!
Dark, oil finished stock with all pores filled. More than 22 LPI checkering. Non- ventilated pad. Red. No drop floorplate. No warnings stamped on the barrel. Glass smooth action. Maybe it says Oberndorf on the reciever. In it's own luggage case.
Or....a really clean Savage 99 in .22 Highpower, Or a Kreighoff drielling. Or an Anschutz 54 sporter. Or a real model 52 Winchester. Or an old Sako carbine in .308. Or a real Creedmore Sharps. Or a Schutzen Remington. Or a '61 Winchester. Or a model 8 Remington....heck aren't they all 'fine' ? max
Joined: 19 June 2003
Location: Bahrain
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Posted: 18 September 2003 at 12:53
For me machining and design that is smooth, works even when dirty as heck, and is accurate. Looks are nice but i tend to scratch them up over a while. I do like them to feel solid, and have some type of handsome characteristics or trim.
Joined: 10 June 2003
Location: Canada
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Points: 1728
Posted: 18 September 2003 at 15:03
Guess maybe I'm just too easy to please. To me "fine" is as much pleasing to the eye on first look and feel as it is in down-range performance. If a rifle has both for me, then I would consider it "fine".
Case in point, my very first centerfire rifle. Started out as just an "off the shelf" 700 BDL .308 Win. Had her for many years then sold her, then by luck [or more so, as I tend to think now] she came back to me. Action custom bedded to an ADL style stock. Just topped her off with a Leupold scope......
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