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    Posted: 04 April 2005 at 11:55

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I have a 14ft fiberglass boat that is in deperate need of repair underneath on the belly so what kind of fiberglass do i need. Do i use the gel mix that comes with mesh or is there a special type i need. I used stuff called Marine Fiberglass Gel on my truck box and it worked great for that.

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I like West Marine stuff.    Interlux is good also.

Right now West marine has their Boater's resin on sale usually 23.99 for 13.99.  Can't beat that.  Spring is "sale" time.

I assume you have a wooden boat.  I never  cover over bad wood, replace the bad wood with good grade plywood (brass screws) and fiberglass over, sand and paint.

If it is fiberglass lots of options, and it depends upon your boat use.  Resin and glass fabric is always good.

Stuff today is GREAT, comparied to the stuff of 30 years ago.

What you doing?????

I am painting the bottom of my 12 foot john boat to go crappie fishing next weekend.  Using a heavy oil base green.  Boat is AL.

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Hi Bear,

Our boat is fiberglass and i like the resin stuff but because of the wear and tear on the bottom from the people i bought it from theres a bit of a 1ft by 2ft concave almost down to the base material thats going to need building up  and thats where i was asking about the mesh and resin. When i bought that tent i had to meet the guy at a boat repair shop where he was working on his boat and he told me they use epoxy coats when doing them kind of repairs im looking at. Are you familiar with epoxy on boat repairs? I though epoxy was for gluing stuff back together unless theres a special kind of body epoxy for them kind of repairs.

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I have built and repaired boats over the years. There are several types of "Fibreglass Resin" available, mainly polyester resins or epoxy resins. Either work well, but some are better for specific uses. This site has some info:  http://www.jamestowndistributors.com/eserv/eclipse.ecl?PROCI D=WEBDISP.WOEB.MAIN&ID_1=3&CLEV=MORE&TRACKNO=ove rture&OVRAW=fiberglass%20repair&OVKEY=fiberglass%20r epair&OVMTC=standard

I have used the materials found at Wal-Mart with fair success for repairs. Get the heavy woven mat or universal matting. Cut strips the width needed, turn the boat upside down, and get ready. The secret to a good repair is prep and keeping the patch working HOT (don't stop and let it harden). Use a grinder to rough up the repair area. Tooth gives the patch something to grip. Mix the resin a bit "cold" (a little less hardener than recommended) or work in small batches. Use disposable brushes, and paint on a good layer of resin. Place the matt or roving in place, paint w/resin removing ALL air bubbles as you go. Just keep layering it. When slightly higher than required, stop and let the built up area kick or cure.

Anytime the resin kicks, it expells wax. This means that if you stop and allow the resin to harden, you must sand grind and clean the area again to insure adhesion. ALWAYS! When in doubt, sand, grind and clean.

Shape the built up area, prep the areas around it. Clean it all with Acetone, and then lay the woven matting down with resin. Get all the bubbles out. Lay a second layer down and let it cure for at least 24 hours. Start final prep with a acetone wash and a light wire brushing (saves a lot of gummed sandpaper), then sand to feather patch into hull. Lightly sand entire hull and paint with most any 2 part automotive paint (is boat is not to be kept in water at dock). Most 2 part automotive paint will even stand up to constant storage in water.

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Thanx Mickey

The matting was the word i was looking for so i called it mesh. I also heard that auto paint works well providing it wasnt left in the water for long periods of time just like you said. Is there any particular type of primer i have to use before putting on the final top coat of paint and do i need to put on a clear coat after the paint job to give it that shiny new look?

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My experience has been poor with Automotive finishes on marine gear.  Maybe I'm just unlucky???

Like most things, prep is the important thing and that takes fime.  So I figure that my time is worth the diffenence in paint costs.  Auto fiberglass is ok, same stuff as some marine.  Mickey is telling you right about thinking ahead as you feather edge the fabrics into the present shape, you don't want to make a bump.

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I hear ya Bear. I spray paint melamine cabinet doors for cabinet shops in the U.S and Canada at my plant and 90% of the work is the prep detail. You can do a great spray job but if the prep underneath is crappy its gonna show and the paint will crack etc etc. Spraying doors is one thing bt my boat is a different story altogether and thats why i need as much input as possible cause i want to do it right the first time.

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Gary,

Primer MUST match paint type, paint center will advise what to use. Again, my experiance is with 2 part automotive paint. I gives a fair shine, and is quite durable. I painted my father-in-law's Crosby Sled and after 5 years of heavy use, it still looked good. I used an air brush to paint it with, just used a larger jar.

I wouldn't even consider clear coat.

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Just thinking my negative experience with auto finishes on boats is on metal, it rusts thru fast.  The flexibility of the auto finish might be ok on glass.

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