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Ivan
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Topic: Crossbow anyone?Posted: 17 January 2005 at 09:44 |
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I had a chance to shoot an Excaliber crossbow at our Gun Club recently. Fellow member brough his to the range. I hit the bullseye every time at 30 yards. Many states allow use of this medievil weapaon for big game hunting. Please share your thoughts with me.
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Posted: 17 January 2005 at 10:04 |
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Crossbows are good weapons. I've killed dozens of big game with them. Including Whitetail, Mule deer, and antelope. I prefer a recurve bow but health doesn't let me use on; blind in my right eye, open heart surgery (avoid guys in white coats with saws I have been hunting with a Horton Legend SL, could not be happier. I try to tell folks that crossbow should not be used to shoot further than a compound. Most guys want to shoot 50-75 yards. A crossbow of 120 # is only the equivalent of a compound of 65# and recurve of 55#. The limbs are small and can't store the energy of a compound. If you use an arrow extension rest and shoot short arrows the velocity of a 65# compound is faster than the #120# crossbow. Interesting is the louse trigger pull on all crossbows, poor; 10x were the worse in my opinion...Horton the best. Also the crossbow has negative recoil!!!!! Yea, it jumps away from you...so hold it tight to your shoulder to increase accuracy. My kills range from 5 yds on whitetails to 62 yards on Mule deer. I use a variable scope with a Command post. Works great. I also use a string-tracker with mechanical heads for big game. BEAR |
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Tikkabuck
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Posted: 17 January 2005 at 10:11 |
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Hey Bear We shoot the same model,I feel comfortable with mine to 40 yards since put on the red dot. One downside of mine so far is noise. |
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Posted: 17 January 2005 at 14:14 |
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Yea, they are noisy. On the short shots I usually take I've had some jump the string. But the short distance works in my favor at the arrow is close to the sound hitting their ears. By the time they move the arrow is thru them and sticking in the ground. I don't think they actually feel the penetration, but they run from the sound. So it is usually straight away from me. I had some laser surgery on my right eye; hope to get enough sight back to shoot the recurve next year. BEAR |
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max-p
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Posted: 18 January 2005 at 12:12 |
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Very interesting! Does keeping a xbow cocked for a long time change it's point of impact any? How long does a string last? Does it take some attention when cocking the thing to get the string's nock point(?) in the center of the track? Is that important? Any advantage of compound over recurve? Does limb composition mean anything? HOw do you uncock? Once loaded, can the arrow/bolt be taken back out easily? What advantages are with aluminum or other shafts? All other things being equal, would longer limbs be better? Must the xbow be held flat, with both limb tips parrallel to the ground, without sideways cant? How long a shaft is considered normal? Must you make your own? max . |
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Posted: 19 January 2005 at 04:01 |
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Whoa max, Lots of questions...I'll try. Does keeping a xbow cocked for a long time change it's point of impact any? Yes keeping it fully strung tends to weaken the limbs. You would not notice 3-5 days. But I believe a year would reduce you "pull". Leaving it strung but not cocked doesn't seem to change POI. How long does a string last? Most crossbows are not shot in competition so longevity isn't important. I inspect the cable and the string each year and the 8 years I've hunted it shows no wear. Does it take some attention when cocking the thing to get the string's nock point(?) in the center of the track? Is that important? Absolutely, I always use a stringing tool that has a index that fits into the track to get perfect alignment. Before my open heart surgery I could easily hand cock the bow in a tree stand without the stringer. You are correct if you cock it off center it will increase your group. Any advantage of compound over recurve? Same as regular bows. Compounds need more max weight to equal the power of a conventional. But the trigger forces on the compound x-bow is better (lower) just like a regular bow. Most archers don't understand this about their coup mound regular bows; but they are slower than a conventional bow of equal max weight. Does limb composition mean anything? No big deal. Same as in conventional bows. I prefer a high tech glass bow as the limbs are short and you need lots of limb strength to get the energy in to it. How do you uncock? Once loaded, can the arrow/bolt be taken back out easily? You can only safely uncock by shooting the x-bow. I carry a junk arrow with a field point and a block of foam for "uncocking". I do it at the car or cabin. the arrow is easily removed from the cocked bow. It is held in place by a small flat spring. It can actually fall out. I cock my bow at camp or the trails end...but no not put an arrow into it until I am on stand. I have a sling on my bow as it is quite heavy and carries 'like' a rifle but upside down. Arrows are easily removed before climbing down from a stand. What advantages are with aluminum or other shafts? Same as with conventional gear. I shoot Easton Aluminum arrows in the x-bows and have found them to be great. I've also shot the carbon arrows and they are ok more expensive, like "premium bullets". With conventional gear I've All other things being equal, would longer limbs be better? Longer limbs 'can' hold more energy and deliver it smoother. Doesn't mean that merely having longer limbs is per se better. Must the xbow be held flat, with both limb tips parallel to the ground, without sideways cant? Cant is greatly over rated in rifle hunting. In an x-bow the scope is usually higher (on mine) so the cant is greater variation. In hunting it is of no importance at usual ranges, 35 yds. How long a shaft is considered normal? Must you make your own? Shaft are about 22 inches and are pretty much standard.m You could make your own; I've done it. But bolts, as they are called, are available every where; Walmart, Gander, Cabelas, Dick's, Spots Authority, etc. the local Dick's sells them for $19 per 6, Easton Camo XX75s. Actually the broadheads I shoot are $10 each..arrows are $3. Everything is easily available BEAR |
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RedWoolArcher
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Posted: 18 July 2005 at 15:59 |
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If you picked up this cross gun for the first time and hit the bulls eye every time at 30 yards do you think that it is much of a challange??? Don't sell yourself short get a real bow made out of WOOD. and a Excaliber crossbow is not even close to a mideval wepon. Try a real bow that is actualy a bow and a challange.
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Tikkabuck
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Posted: 18 July 2005 at 22:55 |
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Hay Red Wool Welcome to the BSB. Yep shot a regular bow for years and yes I do miss it but as with alot of us that are now using X-Bows it's because of physical reasons. I actually quite my favorite sport for a few years (bowhunting) because I didn't think there was much sport in an X-Bow and heck no wouldn't catch me with no X-Bow so because of surgury I quit. One more hunter down and thats what the anti-hunters want. Then a buddy finally got me to try one and now I'm back in the field. In my adventures most folk ,myself too,all say X-Bows are not a callange,hunt with one then talk. Edited by Tikkabuck |
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Posted: 19 July 2005 at 04:34 |
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Nat, Glad to see you joining BSB. I like longbows and wooden shafts, killed lots of deer with them. I found the long bow unwieldy in a tree stand. But my favorite was a semi recurve, 40 # bow. Shot well and was light. For years I shot instinctive. In about 1964 I went to a string peep sight and loved that over the instinctive. I started hunting whitetail in 1960, and lived close to where Fred Bear grew up, so he was a legend locally. Later I was traveling, I actually spent part of a day with Fred BEAR and shot with him when he lived in Grayling. Longbows are considerably more classy than crossbows, and more accurate IF you practice lots. I sold all my compounds as I personally consider them the least huntable of all the bows. My crossbow is equipped with a 1.5 command-post scope. I hunt super urban areas and MUST drop a very large buck (only 8 points or better are legal) within 25 yards MAX. Only a crossbow is up to the task, it is the sniper weapon of the archery equipment. Nat I don't use the crossbow as a simulation of a medieval weapon. I have no desire to live in those times. Now when I throw the 'hawk, I do seem to be relieving my wish to have been a mountain-man.
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Posted: 31 August 2005 at 13:20 |
A real bow eh, my, my, aren't we the self-righteous holier-than-thou REAL archer. ![]() huntin1 |
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gary murray
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Posted: 01 September 2005 at 01:47 |
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Actually i use an old Horton crossbow. The way i see it, releasing the arrow is only a small part of hunting with a bow. Whether you use a recurve, compound, traditional or a crossbow it doesnt matter. You still have to do the hard work such as scouting and figuring out the deers habits such as trails, bedding areas etc to get close enough for a shot. So to me in my opinion, pulling the trigger on a crossbow or releasing a string from a bow is the same shit different pile. It doesnt mean nothing unless youre within range and you wont get within range unless youve done some pre-season homework. Gary |
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Posted: 01 September 2005 at 01:54 |
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You got it figured right Gary. BEAR |
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Posted: 21 February 2006 at 02:36 |
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I just foun out today that Crossbows are 'prohibited weopons' in Australia now. My god, what's next? |
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Posted: 21 February 2006 at 04:06 |
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even for natives? Did natives traditionally use the bow or crossbow in Australia? I thought that native Aborigines used the two piece spear woomeria(spelling?)? what we would call an alatla. Interesting thing is that in Pennsylvania there is a movement to legalize alatla for hunting deer (crossbows are illegal in archery season, but just made legal for rifle season). BEAR |
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Posted: 23 February 2006 at 11:38 |
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BEAR, Aborigines never used a bow or crossbow. People think that they migrated before bow technology was discovered. The Woomera would still be legal but it's not really in the bow/crossbow category. The little crossbow pistols have been illegal for some time now but hardly no-one knew about full-sized crossbows being prohibited - until you get caught with one BTW swords and daggers are also illegal now too. |
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Posted: 23 February 2006 at 12:23 |
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Sh%t, I wanted to hunt roos with a dagger. BEAR |
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Posted: 25 February 2006 at 04:00 |
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I have an old Browning crossbow (a Horton iin Browning clothes). It was my father's, so it's about 15 years old. My father was not able to pull his recurve back anymore, but wanted to hunt with me when I took up the compound. Since crossbows are legal in AR he bought one. He used it 2 years prior to his death in Dec .93. I have used it a couple of times since then, but have not taken any thign with it. I got my son to shooting it this summer and he likes it. The wife even likes to shoot it, and has asked for a compound bow. I know she will never hunt with me, but at leastI can get her into shooting the bow and spending some time with me doing some thing I enjoy. Hudge |
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