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Topic: Can a bullet bounce off a bears head?Posted: 15 August 2007 at 02:57 |
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I'm doing some research on the different forums I visit regarding if a bullet can bounce off of a bears skull. Anyone have actual experience and or stories to tell?
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Posted: 15 August 2007 at 03:22 |
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I witnessed a bear shot at about ten feet coming towards the shooter. The bear reacted like he had been hit with the true hammer of thor. He went over backwards hard, then got up and ran like a scalded monkey. We were stunned, no blood trial, no hair, nothing. We called the local game warden to give him a heads up on the possibly wounded bear we were looking for. He suggested what happened to be what you're asking about. Can it happen, did it in the case I described, I can't say. But it appeared to be the case.
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Posted: 15 August 2007 at 04:08 |
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I don't think bear (especially griz/brown) are good candidates for head shots. So I think any head shot is probably a bad placement by a poor shooter a or a miss of a chest shot. The reason I say this is that a skull CAN bounce a bullet, but the angle to the skull must be very acute, sharp. Poor shots or missed shoots can indeed result in such bullet behavior. A 90 degree to the skull will never bounce off. A 5 degree may bounce off. Think of this. When you skip a stone on water, the water is really very soft. But the stone does skip? You need a flat stone of course and as we all know, you need a shallow angle or the stone penetrates. Same with a bullet on water or a bears head. If you really want to see this I think you could get a cows head from a slaughter house, and try a 30 cal at a shallow angle. Most skulls are really very flexible and elastic when living. After death they dry out and get brittle. Bear are the same. Also the skull grows in plates and in bears, even large bears the skull is 'softer' than in older bears. Sort of like old folks bones getting brittle. An angle of shot that might 'bounce off' a 600 pound 4 year old bear might penetrate a 10 year old 600 pounder? I've got two grizzly bear skulls in my office, and I'd say that they compare to a wild boar skull except for a shorter nose. So a test on a 200 pound boar (aka pig) skull would be a reasonable test. I also think (opinion) that the bullet size doesn't matter. A 416 mag with 400 grain FMJ would bounce (skip) off as easy as a 150 gr. 30 cal. a larger bullet has more side surface to support the heavier weight. If you mean can a bullet shot at a bears skull generally at a perpendicular direction bounce off, never. To much sectional density and energy for a bears skull to support and deflect. Even a 223 FMJ will penetrate a bears skull if fired at a 90 degree angle. The photo of the bears head shown, seems to indicate a shot between 30-55 degrees. It is difficult to tell the angle, with the meat still on the skull. Just my thoughts. I never shot a bear in the head, heart lungs work fine for me.
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Posted: 15 August 2007 at 13:34 |
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Bear you are correct with the angle...it was a standing shot six feet away from a gut shot bear in a lot of pain. He had been laying for awhile and was in no mood to fight. I have been told the bullet bouncing off a bears skull is a load of crap and an old wifes tale on other forums, this by men who claimed to have shot many bear but...I also had an experience with a good friend who was a crack shot with his 44 mag. And I mean he was a crack shot with it. He was ground hunting a bait station which simply had no trees anywhere around it for a tree stand. A bear came in but the weeds were too high for a good visual on bullet placement so he whistled it like a ground hog. It stood up to see what had made the noise and he fired right between the eyes. It fell over dead, so he thought, and he holstered his pistol as he sauntered over to his trophy. As he approached his bear it suddenly took off like a rabbit. He didn't even have a chance to clear the pistol of leather. It was gone. I helped him search for an hour and we found no blood. When we talked to the local game warden on the reservation he stated flat out, "300 Winchester magnums will bounce off." The pic below is a different angle of the skull above. Although the skull is tilted a tad upwards I think it does show just how slight the slope is. I do believe it is possible with a bear facing you to glance a bullet off the head esp if you are on the ground with the bear. I prefer a lung shot on a bear myself.
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Posted: 15 August 2007 at 14:50 |
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I've hear a lot of talk about bouncing off the boss of a cape buffalo. Again with a shallow angle it certainly could happen. I also have a very large cape buffalo in my office (yes, it is crowded in there). the boss is much thicker and harder than a great bears skull. Also a buffalo usually has his head on a level with a shouldered gun so the angle you depict on the bear skull is always present. "THE" frontal shot on a buff is a base of the neck (to the hear) shot not a head shot. I'd beat the a lot more shots bounce off buffalo skulls than bear. As always, I prefer a heart shot on a buffalo, either side or head on. AS elephants are big, from my perspective, it is interesting that one often preferred shot it the brain shot. Unfortunately I don't have an elephant's skull in my office. but I've seen them and examined them. A dense honeycomb-like bone structure. The side brainier shot is slightly below the ear canal. I've seen it made and the elephant spins itself down into a pile.
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Posted: 15 August 2007 at 15:05 |
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Fella's; Pick up the archive site for the Great Falls Tribune. Coupla years ago a hunter up around Teton pass shot a female griz in the head with a .300 Winchester magnum from short range. The bear was a collared & tracked animal. She lived. With the provisio that the print media is involved & all errors are theirs, you can read the details when you access the site. 900F.
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Posted: 16 August 2007 at 00:24 |
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Posted: 16 August 2007 at 02:03 |
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Interesting story. Not much detail of the wound. 270 winchester hunting deer 130 grain????
Also note that if you are being investigated by a female officer: "And he was very remorseful and extremely cooperative." Acting pleasant, maybe a few tears...will get you a long way. To bad that they didn't take pictures after they darted the bear for treatment. There are a lot of wounds that would do the same thing besides a skull bounce. BEAR
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