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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dakotasin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 January 2006 at 10:48
its also up at the high road...
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here are a few snips of advice from other sites:

  • get in touch with your states attorny general. that is fraud to the max.i've heard about these buttheads from other sources
  • FWIW the big auction/sale houses are far more worried about the good will of the sellers than the buyers. That's who makes the money for them. And it's hard to blame them; for every legit complaint there a probably a dozen more related to "buyer's remorse" (remember, bunches of folks shop dead-drunk on the internet and commit to things they can't afford or don't want when sober). They are a for-profit business.

    A lot of folks have found out the hard way that if you leave bad feedback for high volume sellers, the buyer gets banned.

    The only protection you have is similar to buying from an individual. Pay with a US Postal money order and wherever possible get them to ship USPS. AT least then you have a resource on your side that they will fear. And in the not-so-unusual situation where the buyer is really in the wrong, the Postal Inspectors won't harass a legit seller. Not saying this is one of those at all. It sounds like Bud needs a 340 Wby enema.

    I won't buy a gun from ANYONE who won't take a postal money order and I never use a credit card unless I have a prior relationship with the seller or it's a national house like Cabela's.
  • send them the gun back and take the $75 pop as evidence of learning such a lesson. 

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 I would also talk to WBY about this. Dealer ethics aren't their responsibility but it might help. I once saw a rifle advertised as new that just didn't look right. I called them up with the serial number and they answered all my questions completely and politely. It was my impression that they cared about how their product is sold.
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it seems the major point of contention that i am seeing is the shipping fees... while i certainly sympathize w/ the small business owners trying to eek out a living, i don't think that is really a case here. bud's flat-out messed up, and are blatantly refusing to make it right.

the more that comes out of this, the more bs it seems that place is pushing...

here's a tidbit that might be useful:

Originally posted by Jon Coppenbarger Jon Coppenbarger wrote:

Do get your money back from the charge!
Get all your paperwork together for proof to the credit card company.
Copy of the ad and what they sent. That company will then if they lose want the gun back so make them send a pick up tag for the return. Making them pay.
As long as they can get Away with it they will and the only way to help them stop is to make them pay for their mistakes

The bottom line is unles you make crooks tow the line they will keep burning folks.



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looks like quite a bit of good advice coming from here>>>

http://forums.accuratereloading.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/9 411043/m/289106993

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dfletcher Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 January 2006 at 13:48

I liked the idea of contacting Weatherby - these guys do give them a bad name.  Have already e-mailed them on my experience.   

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fletch - if you haven't already, click the link above.

 

here's some more from a different place where i posted this.

  • Isn't that false advertising, or bait & switch.
    Heck yeah it's there fault.
    Since they had the ad wrong they should either pay for the accubrake installation, give you enough refund to cover it, or take the rifle back and pay shipping and any other costs.

    While their at it they need to get their head out of their 4th point of contact aka A#$.
    Report them to gunbroker too.
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where is the dealer located. I know some "fugedaboutdit" guys around the country.
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i KNEW there was a reason i tried to stay on your good side, ric!
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Thanks to all & the additional posting on Accurate Reloading - as you say, lesson learned and I'm glad others got the word. 
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 I'd let this run it's course before shooting the rifle. I still think the shop may try and save face. They should, it's in their best interest. Who knows maybe some disgruntled dumbass employee is behind this and the owner will step up to the plate and make it right.
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Phewww,

Threads like this make me nervous about buying a gun off the net again.  I've bought 2 and haven't had any bad luck.  Both were through GA.  Both were stores.  I talked with them over the phone and they were rather re-assuring but I had to take their word on that since they were over 1000 miles away!  Guess I'll be a little more cautious should I venture to buy online again.

I do agree with the gang that by posting some threads here and there regarding your experience, it will snowball.  I've seen it happen before. 

Hope it all works out!

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fletch -

one of the guys at AR seems to know these guys personally. he offered to see if he could be of any assistance to you. here's what he said>>>

"Give them a call and ask to speak to Derrick, he tends to be the man with all the answers. If he doesn't make it right please let me know. They are just up the road from me, and I've had nothing but great luck from them..."

here's the link:

http://forums.accuratereloading.com/groupee/forums?a=tpc& ;s=518103&f=3411043&m=269106993&r=252102004#2521 02004

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I'm betting they do generally complete a deal as advertised. It sounds like they move a lot of guns. But, it's how a company deals with situations like this that defines their business ethics. What's the saying, adversity doesn't build character, it reveals it. I think this is the case here. Their feedback rate is actually high in complaints IMO. Sounds like they just move a lot of guns and if they make a mistake they think the volume of sales will overcome the people who are unhappy with their service. A local gunshop can't get away with this so easily, they have to answer to the local buying public. It's just too easy to get screwed online and it's about time these internet dealers realize you can't hide because you're halfway across the country.
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Hey dfletcher.Thanks for the info.It is posted at the HB.I am on the prowl for an unported 444 Marlin.I`m not even gonna look at this outfit after reading your post.Regardless of whether they make it right or not,nobody needs the headache of what you`ve had with this purchase.Ill look elsewhere for fellas that do what they say and gimme what they say when I hand em my money...
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TasunkaWitko - thanks for the info & the contact with Derrick.

Thought about it a bit, and you know - I have to say no to calling & here's why. 

Regardless of what they do now, their treatment of a paying customer is unacceptable.  As someone earlier observed, it's easy to do the right thing when a transaction is routine, but their character as a business is revealed when things vary from the norm.  Even if they were to now make things right it wouldn't mean much.  A customer should not have to meet such resistance when dealing with a seller. 

 

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>>>Regardless of whether they make it right or not,nobody needs the headache of what you`ve had with this purchase.<<<

yep, when it is all said and done, this is probably the bottom line, right here.

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well, it looks like bud's gun shop has already caused itself a lost sale or two. this guy here was looking closely at a CZ from them, but now won't touch it with a 10-foot pole. chances are, the deal wouold have gone though just fine, but it looks like he doesn't want to deal with a place that has no character.

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more advice from HA >>>

 

As for filing complaints: First would be to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives to see if they have a reason to pull the FFL of the deadbeat. Second, file a complaint with the Consumer Protection Division of the Attorney Generals Office in the state where deadbeat resides. Finally, if the gun was mailed to the consumer, contact the Postal Inspector in Charge of your area; your local postmaster has the address and phone number.

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I've notified GunBroker & Weatherby, we'll see what, if anything comes of it.  Seems there were a fair amount of people considering a buy with Buds & are now backing off.  Here's something to consider:

Buds would not lower the cost by $150.00 to cover the brake, but would drop the 20% ($280.00) restock fee.  Why?  If they're not willing to take the little $$$ hit, why take the larger $$$ hit?  I suppose they could sell it locally, but don't think it's out of line to think they would do that because if I sent the gun back they could relist it as having never been out of their shop & sell for full price.

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