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dfletcher
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Topic: Buying Gun On LinePosted: 04 January 2006 at 15:08 |
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I just purchased on line a Weatherby AccuMark in 340 WM and am extremely disappointed. The rifle was advertised on "GunBroker" through a gun store, not a private party type sale. Brand new in box. The rifle was advertised as coming with the factory installed Accubrake. I have no desire to shoot a 340 WM without one. So of course, when I opened the package - no muzzle brake! It is brand new in box, all papers fine, so I presume someone shipping made a mistake. I've just sent e-mail to the store & will call tomorrow, but I'm hoping someone can help me do my homework. I put the purchase on a credit card so stopping payment is not a problem. And there is no ambiguity. If anyone wants to go to GunBroker look up auction 41432244. Clearly says with Accubrake. Now my best solution is that they have another is stock, I'll mail this back to them, they'll ship back to me & we're fine. I think they should pay for all shipping. I also think they should pay for the $60.00 I'm going to have to spend again to do CA transfer paperwork - anyone disagree? I'm anticipating they will want to knock off some $$$ and have me keep this rifle. Fine by me. I think the amount they take should be equivilent to cost of Weatherby installing the Accubrake on the rifle PLUS shipping costs to & from factory. Anyone have experience dealing with Weatherby on this? Cost, turnaround time? I presume if a brake is installed by anyone other than Weatherby the factory warranty will be voided - correct? Thanks for your help. |
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Kingpin
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Posted: 04 January 2006 at 15:16 |
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I'm with you all the way, you deserve what you're paying for. Not that I would want a brake on a normal rifle though. Your point is well taken by me. I am shooting a .338 Lapua, without a brake. It's OK by me, considering it's a hunting rifle. You can't even put a brake on a match rifle, by the rules, unless it's a .50 BMG.............................Kingpin
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Posted: 04 January 2006 at 15:36 |
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They will probably stand behind it, and you should be able to get a MB put on locally. I'm with King, though, and would skip the MB.
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Posted: 04 January 2006 at 15:48 |
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I'd also skip the brake but of course we aren't you. It will only be a pain off the bench. A Past recoil shield works wonders for range work. Wearing one of these I can get in a comfortable range session with any gun I own or have owned. That being said you absolutely deserve what you paid for and should not except anything less. If the guy proves to be a jerk let us know. You'd be surprised the power the internet has in keeping crooks in line. |
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dfletcher
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Posted: 04 January 2006 at 16:13 |
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Thanks for the support and I will definately let everyone know how things work out. I don't mind the recoil, I just wanted to put a $19.00 Tasco on it and figured the brake would keep the scope in one piece! Just kidding. Am I overestimating the recoil from this thing? It seems to weigh about 8lbs. I routinely fire an AR in 338 Lapua Mag with brake and have to say, it's much heavier and I think the thing would have a helluva wallop without it. I'm 6'4" but only about 190 - right handed & left eyed so I shoot off my not so sturdy left shoulder. I don't think I'm recoil shy, 300 H & H is no problem nor 375 H & H Encore or 375 JDJ Contender handgun. |
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Posted: 04 January 2006 at 19:22 |
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in the original post... i think you are right in expecting the dealer to stand behind the product, and cough up shipping and insurance both ways. and while i think he should also at least split the x-fer costs, i don't think he will... this is the difference between a top notch business and 'just another business'. the better business will take the x-fer fees on themselves... regarding the brake... i would skip it, too. over time w/ focused practice, recoil can be overcome. part of the practice is to know when to quit shooting, too. at any rate, i would not brake it. best of luck to you. Edited by dakotasin |
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dfletcher
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Posted: 04 January 2006 at 19:34 |
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OK, lets say I don't get the brake. The cost of the rifle - taking into account prices can vary alot on line - did include the cost of a brake. I should get the cost reduced by the amount of the brake, right? |
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Posted: 04 January 2006 at 19:52 |
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and install costs. i couldn't tell you for sure what that is, but i don't think a $150 - 200 refund is out of line... |
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dfletcher
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Posted: 05 January 2006 at 04:40 |
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They've offered me a credit back of the cost of brake up to $200.00. Seems about right.
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Kingpin
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Posted: 05 January 2006 at 10:42 |
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There you go, you'll enjoy it much more than with the brake and so will all your bench friends................Kingpin
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Posted: 05 January 2006 at 13:58 |
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There's a meticulous little fellow at the range who shoots a Winchester 52. Puts out his ammo in neat little rows, organizes his targets and such. I never did much care for the fellow. Just kidding. I may not get the brake installed. Range session this weekend will tell. By the way, the gun store reneged on their offer. Their reason - get this - was that they post alot of stuff on Gun Broker and can't be expected to have it 100% accurate. They said I can return the thing but they'll subtract 20% - that's about $300.00 PLUS I'm out the FFL transfer cost of $70.00. Their add, their mistake - they expect me to eat the $$$?
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Kingpin
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Posted: 05 January 2006 at 14:07 |
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OK then Fletch, piss on them, and give them free advertising whenever possible. The .340 is a lightning bolt, and aside from getting screwed on what you thought you were buying, the lesson you learned will work well in your favor for future purchases. Guys like that ought to be banned from such forums..................Kingpin
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dfletcher
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Posted: 05 January 2006 at 15:01 |
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Kingpin - you read my mind - see below. Now when is that damed tube top gonna drop?! Just wanted to let everyone know the results I had from spending $1400.00 on a Weatherby 340 Accumark with "Buds Gun Shop". The gun was advertised by them as coming with an Accubrake. I confirmed this with them by phone. The gun arrived without a brake and their response was "send it back, but we'll charge a 20% restocking fee". That's almost $300.00 - the brake costs only $150.00 factory installed. They admit their add was wrong. Their excuse? Their ads are not always accurate because they post alot of them, I should have known that. Check out 41432244 and remember - they admit what you see (and read) isn't what you get. I asked them to reduce the cost by the amount of the factory installed brake - and I'd even pay the shipping to Weatherby to have it done - and they said no. They offered to drop the 20%, but I'd still be out transfer & other costs - about $75.00. All I wanted was what they advertised and what I paid for - what could be simpler? Finally, they wrote an e-mail threatening to change their positive feedback on me to negative if I posted complaint. Safe to say no more "Buds Gun Shop" for me - ever. |
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Rob1
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Posted: 05 January 2006 at 15:14 |
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I'd start with filing a complaint with gunbroker. Then I'd remind them politely that "word of mouth" advertising is a powerfull thing on the internet, especially when it involves a negative like getting the wrong gun and then claiming they shouldn't be held responsible for posting an accurate ad. Here is what I'd do... Go to accurate reloading and simply post your experience, no need to get nasty but name names. I bet it will snowball. I've seen it happen many times and I've seen companys pressured into doing the right thing. Like I said simply post a truthfull account of your experience, keep it polite and see what happens. I suggest accurate reloading because it's a huge site with a lot of people who buy lots of guns. One thing you can do in the future is inspect the rifle before you take ownership of it legally. If it isn't up to snuff do not fill out the paper work. Contact the seller and tell him you're going to call your credit card company and cancel the payment. Don't sign any transfer papers till you have everything promised you in hand. As for the rifle it will kick, no doubt about it and no way around it. As already posted part of the deal is knowing when to call it quits. You won't get a range session in on it like you would with a varmint caliber. A rifle rest will help a great deal, off bags it will pound the snot out of you. I still would leave the brake off and don't brake my large rifles. |
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Posted: 06 January 2006 at 06:40 |
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You will get nothing, unless you stop payment on your charge card. I'd not take a credit...they will just dishonor it later. An immediate refund would be OK. You only have a limited time to challenge the charge thru the credit card company. Either decide to stop payment and they tell them in exchange for a "complete release" you will pay the amount minus $200. I had on Accubrake installed by Weatherby (for my brother); it cost more than $200. Other non-weatherby brakes are much cheaper, but it does reduce the resale value of your gun. BEAR If it looks too good to be true...it isn't true. BEAR |
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Posted: 06 January 2006 at 06:45 |
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second thought. Lots of "new in Box" internet sales and many in Shotgun News are in fact factory returns. It may not be ethical but every manufacture re-sells the returns, with full factory new warranty. And they usually put it in a new box. It might be perfect, it might not. If you pay for new you should not get 'seconds'. Once you shoot it the dealer will say you can't return it, as it is used and registered to you. I'd shoot it quick and see if it is a shooter, if not clean through and return. You always have the accuracy guarantee (if it is not a Howa) from Weatherby. Sucks BEAR |
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Posted: 06 January 2006 at 09:07 |
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Bear: I paid by credit card & am considering putting charge in dispute. I have until 30 days after I receive my monthly bill to do so. Because I accurately posted feed back, Buds changed their positive GunBroker feedback on me to negative, so I'm leaning that way. I called Bain & Davis, they are a Weatherby certified warranty center & will install proprietary Weatherby Accubrake for $150.00 plus shipping. The general consensus is I should skip it, I'm going to fire away without it this weekend. You mentioned factory returns or used that looks new. In effect, that's what Buds wants me to do. Return it so they can sell it again as new. Also, the Buds employee I was talking to said he didn't know much about guns, had to ask someone else about the situation. Nice to learn you don't have to know guns to work at Buds Gun Shop. Side issue - I'm surprised at the number of people who have said they were considering a purchase with Buds but changed their mind since reading the above. The internet does work! |
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Posted: 06 January 2006 at 09:18 |
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Dfletcher, your experience is what I've been afraid of happening on an internet purchase for a gun, so I haven't tried it yet. I hope the Weatherby works out good for you. Bud sounds like a butthead.
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Posted: 06 January 2006 at 10:03 |
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yep - i encourage any members who hang out at other forums to copy dfletcher's post above telling about his experience, then post that message as coming from "a member of BSB who had a bad experience." include the link to this thread so that anyone reading it can verify the truth of the statement. if anyone has other or better ideas on how to spread the ward, i'm all ears. |
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Posted: 06 January 2006 at 10:20 |
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the above message has been posted at the handloaders bench, three of the forums at accurate reloading, and at huntamerica. WOW! i had the blow the cobwebs off when i went to huntamerica! |
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