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CB's skee horse just never dies.

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Topic: CB's skee horse just never dies.
Posted By: d4570
Subject: CB's skee horse just never dies.
Date Posted: 13 April 2021 at 11:14
The King's pump house Johnson just keeps giving.
This thing is 53 years old.
I have been using bits and pieces for years on different projects.
I sent the Cowl, dash, and seat to a guy I know in NY several years ago who was restoring one. I am down to just the front skis, track, Bogeys, and motor.
When I first got it home I started it with either and lighter flued, just to see if it would that's been like 8 years ago. Only god knows when it actually ran last. I tried to get it to run this winter I got it to fire a little. I want to make a snow dog out of the track assembly and would like to have the OMC twin power it.
There is like NO parts available for this thing. A guy can get old motors off eBay for parts but there old used parts. 
Mostly everything is in good shape and should run me for years in this application. I took apart the carb and cleaned it up everything looks fine. I need to make a primer for it apparently I sent it with the dash, I have a plan that should work coming. The stator, points, condenser all check out. It has TWO tractor like coils I would like to replace but there working for now. I did find new sparkplugs, the wires are wire and should work for another 50 years.
It has decompressors on each cylinder to help pull start it I got them hooked back up and working. There is a difference when you pull on the rope, I suppose -20* and pulling for twenty minutes it would make a difference. it is a 20 hp two stroke.
When I took it out I used the Sawzall and just whacked off the exhaust pipes, the only nubs now so it's a bit loud. 
Here it is running in the garage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LywDsVkN0BA

snow dog, something like this it will pull me and my stuff in a sled or wagon.









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Posted By: Wing master
Date Posted: 14 April 2021 at 01:40
The heart some of this old stuff has amazes me. 

It sounded like it ran pretty good considering. 

Wing master


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I have always considered myself to be quite the bullshitter, But ocasionally it is nice to sit back and listen to a true professional......So, Carry on.


Posted By: BEAR
Date Posted: 14 April 2021 at 08:44
That Dog has a loud bark!

Repurposing.....CB would be smiling.


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Posted By: Irish Bird Dog
Date Posted: 14 April 2021 at 22:36
impressive salvage D......ambitious project too for the sled dog.


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Posted By: d4570
Date Posted: 17 April 2021 at 16:54
WELL.
I think I tamed some of the noise.
 All the mufflers I could find where straight through glass packs and $50 each.
SO I made one.
I took two 10n Hp Lawnmower mufflers added some stull And, well It looks good I can't try it yet I had to take off the mounts and in the prosses of making new motor mount. 











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Posted By: Wing master
Date Posted: 17 April 2021 at 23:21
Very nice. That looks like it just might work. 

Wing master


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Posted By: BEAR
Date Posted: 18 April 2021 at 09:37
Good looking muffler.  Heavy might want some ceenter support mounting for the vibration.


Cool.  Think you could test by giving sled-dog rides to GD!


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Posted By: d4570
Date Posted: 22 April 2021 at 12:33
MORE

The gas tank from the skee horse was mostly mush and crap in side, I got rid of it years ago.
It was like 5 or6 gallon.
I'm finding out why. At this point it drinks fuel like bear drinks Vodka.
I have a tank off a riding lawnmower I'm going to use but it's just over a gallon, I'll have to carry a jerry can it looks like.
I hope it get better as I get the motor running better.
I did not know at the time but part of the priming system was with the tank. I got a push bulb primer like on a small motor, another can of worms but I think I got it debugged. The motor starts right up when you push 4 squirts of gas in to the crank case.
But some times it runs fine and sounds strong , then other times It is so rich the gas runs out the muffler connections.
Some times it does not keep running at all.
Dang.
I can't pull the rope and watch the fuel pump but with it getting to much gas I think its working.
I checked the points, and replaced the plugs, the wires are wire and are not jumping to ground.
I have fiddled around with the low and high speed adjustments, and go back to the starting point, not much difference. The needle valves and seat look ok. I did not take the "Reed" valves out, there delicate but, look ok from looking in to them.
I did what I could, with the carb, but I cant figure out how to get the bowl off to check the float. I'm thinking it is my problem.
Any insight?
With out knowing the year for sure and the motor size I don't want to start buying parts and trying them.








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Posted By: BEAR
Date Posted: 22 April 2021 at 13:18
If you remember the color and style of the couwling, that will get you a close date/year.

shop manuals are still available on ebay and thru OMC & Seloc. 

  https://www.ebay.com/itm/265028636755?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=265028636755&targetid=1070284388556&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9005884&poi=&campaignid=11613470118&mkgroupid=114637732953&rlsatarget=pla-1070284388556&abcId=9300455&merchantid=113787343&gclid=Cj0KCQjwvYSEBhDjARIsAJMn0liNHJh5eAwJcAX8dar_Pe5e_QXsclWARi-57RmAcdAObLB5QqYmmjwaAr29EALw_wcB" rel="nofollow - https://www.ebay.com/itm/265028636755?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=265028636755&targetid=1070284388556&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9005884&poi=&campaignid=11613470118&mkgroupid=114637732953&rlsatarget=pla-1070284388556&abcId=9300455&merchantid=113787343&gclid=Cj0KCQjwvYSEBhDjARIsAJMn0liNHJh5eAwJcAX8dar_Pe5e_QXsclWARi-57RmAcdAObLB5QqYmmjwaAr29EALw_wcB


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Posted By: BEAR
Date Posted: 22 April 2021 at 13:19
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjxC3WrAYTM%20" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjxC3WrAYTM



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Posted By: d4570
Date Posted: 22 April 2021 at 13:42
Originally posted by BEAR BEAR wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjxC3WrAYTM%20" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjxC3WrAYTM


Very similar but lots of stuff different under the flywheel.
Mine must be a different motor. Thanks bear.



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Posted By: d4570
Date Posted: 22 April 2021 at 13:47
I have down loaded three of them That are close.
69, 70, 71. but they all look different in the schematics.
There was actually few motors in the skee horse.
Every year had a different set up, it looks to me, and none I have found is anything like mine. I have tried the numbers on the tag to no avail.


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Posted By: BEAR
Date Posted: 22 April 2021 at 14:07
Is it an 'adapted' outboard motor?

Did the cowling match any Skee Horse in a google image search???


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Posted By: BEAR
Date Posted: 22 April 2021 at 14:17
I've worked on a number of Johnson outboards, rebuilt coils and carbs.

The carbs on the early ones had a central metering rod in the carb bowl (it was stepped with diffeent diameters.  It was brass, if slight bend or gummed up it would not shut-off, and would  leak fuel out of overflow holes in the top od the carb..  The rod held on to a cork carb float with a small SS horseshoe clip.  those cork floats had a shellac, it gets rock hard over years and gas doen't disolve it.  Same system used in model T fords...you remember those.  wonder if todays E-10,E20 will disolve that shellac and then the cork takes on moistur/gas and doen't float high enough?  I made one of those floats out of a thermos cork, then shellaced it...worked till I sole the motor in 2016.

Just thoughts.


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Posted By: BEAR
Date Posted: 22 April 2021 at 14:19
RE, getting at the carb bowl.  I always took the carb off the block to work on it.

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Posted By: d4570
Date Posted: 22 April 2021 at 14:25
Yes it does.
All the wide tracks




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Posted By: d4570
Date Posted: 22 April 2021 at 14:28
Those are actual pics of the Skee.
I'll try some more to get in to it.
 Thanks bear


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Posted By: d4570
Date Posted: 22 April 2021 at 14:31
PS
Doesn't it look like a good idea to spread your legs around 5 gallons of gasoline ?Shocked


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Posted By: BEAR
Date Posted: 22 April 2021 at 15:11
I've spread my legs around some 'hotter' stuff!  miss spent youth...but fun always!

Some of those early Johnson gas tanks were pressurized.  you pumpped them up and the pressure fed the gas to the carb.  tanks were thick al or steel.  later the squezze balla nd scavenged crankcase gas delivery were invented...I go back to the '50s.


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Posted By: d4570
Date Posted: 23 April 2021 at 07:48
Maybe Lizard will enlighten us with some of his wisdom here.
 On motors not spreading his legs around something HOT!
I think he is a small motor expert or something.
I can figure most things out but two stroke especially OLD two stroke motors are posed by devils' and demons.Confused


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Posted By: d4570
Date Posted: 24 April 2021 at 18:34
Originally posted by d4570 d4570 wrote:

Maybe Lizard will enlighten us with some of his wisdom here.
 On motors not spreading his legs around something HOT!
I think he is a small motor expert or something.
I can figure most things out but two stroke especially OLD two stroke motors are posed by devils' and demons.Confused

Well he did and he gave me some places to look.
This is what it sounded like before it stopped.





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Posted By: BEAR
Date Posted: 24 April 2021 at 19:22
can't tell if it is 'leaning out' ; or choking out (rich).
  But it sounds like fuel problem.  

is the spark plug 'wet' after it quits???


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Posted By: d4570
Date Posted: 24 April 2021 at 19:45
Yes very

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Posted By: BEAR
Date Posted: 25 April 2021 at 08:52
Well. sounds like your earlier thought...running tooo rich.  So you need a carb rebuild/tune-up.





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Posted By: lizard
Date Posted: 25 April 2021 at 10:38
Bear,
  I agree with you.


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Posted By: BEAR
Date Posted: 25 April 2021 at 11:02
At least it is down-draft carb.  hated to work on up-draft cards!

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Posted By: BEAR
Date Posted: 25 April 2021 at 11:07
Thoughts????


I spent a good bit of time in Alaska, cold and everyone has a Snow Machine.

Alaska is the last frontier, and just like my days living on a farm....everyone keeps everything for parts.  Visited a large sea-cargo box on an Island north of the artic circle.  that box had about 500 old used/dead snowmobiles....'for parts'.

Alaska is the source for vintage snowmobile parts (besure to call them AK proper 'Snow Machines, not snowmobiles)

https://aksledparts.com/" rel="nofollow - https://aksledparts.com/


Maybe sending them a pic of the old original sled, AND a close up pic of the engin/carb  could get you some newer parts?????


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Posted By: BEAR
Date Posted: 25 April 2021 at 11:15
https://www.alssnowmobile.com/%20" rel="nofollow - https://www.alssnowmobile.com/

https://aksnowsalvage.com/products/default.html" rel="nofollow - https://aksnowsalvage.com/products/default.html




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Posted By: d4570
Date Posted: 25 April 2021 at 12:22
Cool that's a thought.

BUT I have to be practical.
 If I spend 300 bucks on parts I still have a 50 year-old motor.
 I can get a NEW Predator motor for $400.

https://www.harborfreight.com/13-hp-420cc-ohv-horizontal-shaft-gas-engine-epacarb-69736.html" rel="nofollow - https://www.harborfreight.com/13-hp-420cc-ohv-horizontal-shaft-gas-engine-epacarb-69736.html


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Posted By: BEAR
Date Posted: 25 April 2021 at 13:43
We I understand.  But you think the old skee is running fairly good.

Maybe even sending a picture of your old machine; I'd not say you were canibalizing it, might get you some free info.  like the year/model.  and maybe even a specific photo copied  instruction manual?

would $50  for a cab with your carb in exchange be out of the budget???

personally, I've thought of making one for here in the east.  BUT as gasoline engines are un reliable, I was thinking two car 12 volt batteries and a starter motor.  When one battery runs out; it is the time to turn around.  I'd use it at a slow speed, just to pull out a deer or elk.


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Posted By: d4570
Date Posted: 25 April 2021 at 16:08
I thought of that too.
A starter will not work, Lots of power but will not run long.
 Maybe even burn up the starter after 15 or 20 minutes of continues running.
I'd bet a furnace motor out of a trailer or a water pump that is 12 volt.
If your handy which you are, take an old truck generator. If you turn the brush plate 1/4 turn it becomes a motor. The new cars that shutoff at stop signs use the generator to start.

No $50 would not brake the bank. 
A $150 carb two $50 coils then find another problem and I'm very near the price of an electric start 13 hp motor.
$500 and I can get a V twin .


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Posted By: d4570
Date Posted: 25 April 2021 at 17:16
In side the carb.
I got it apart, It was very clean in side.
The float needle valve is showing no undo wear.
The float was set to "High" actually when turned upside down it would be low. There is a spring on the pin that holds the float to the carb seamed to be in wrong. It was not "springing" anything. I turned it over and it slightly lifts the float so when in operating side up it would add slight pressure to the float valve. My guess it to keep the float from jumping up and down as the sled bounces along. I set it at 3/8 inch as most the directions say.
I took out the reed valve assemble I have no Idea what it should look like but it was clean and the reeds moved well with slight breath blowing on them. All the zillion screws that held it to gather where tight.
The fuel pump, pumps well, internal filter I washed backward with gas and air no indications of a problem. I put every thing back together after a good amount of air shot through all the little holes.
I set the high and low speed adjustments to 2 turns out. $ pump on the primer choke closed I pulled twice and it fired up nice.
It runs like before, a few minutes and it starts to stumble white smoke poor's out of the muffler then floods to a stop.
I could get it to started again but it takes multiple pulls no prime or choke it will fire once then the next pull maybe twice, keep pulling and it will start but I can't keep it running moving the throttle open and closed. So nothing changed......Confused



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Posted By: BEAR
Date Posted: 25 April 2021 at 17:31
sounds like you done  good job.  Not sure why it is still running rich????

money better spent on new engine WITH electric start.




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Posted By: d4570
Date Posted: 25 April 2021 at 18:08
I'm going on with the project.
I'll start to build the "Truck" to hold the bogies and cogs.
I'm not sure how heavy I should make it. The skee horse was all Aluminum, which I can't work with well, so Angle or channel Iron for the frame. I think like 1.5 by 2, 3/16 maybe.

The plat part with 1/8 steel?
The plat parts to anchor the cog axles and on the other side the drive.


Frame out of angle, thin wall tubing is better but I have to weld sleeves in to every hole to keep from crushing it when the bolts are tightened.


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Posted By: d4570
Date Posted: 26 April 2021 at 13:23
I started to fab up the track truck.
I have the bogies hooked together and planning the drive and back cogs.






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Posted By: BEAR
Date Posted: 26 April 2021 at 13:33
Looks plenty strong.  good work D.

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Posted By: d4570
Date Posted: 26 April 2021 at 14:28
1.5X1.5 3/16 angle.
Probably way over kill, still a lot of pieces to fab up yet.
I'll have a deck over the track, the the motor/drive mounts.
I'm making the track assembly to come off so If I ever need to do track work or bogies.
On the Johnson you had to separate the track at the splice to get it off.


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Posted By: d4570
Date Posted: 29 April 2021 at 15:13
I've got most of the "Truck" chassis for the track fabbed up.
I ordered a new 16 HP 4 stroke Electric start Motor and a torque converter clutch drive to match the motor.
It's my Daughters BD todayClap, I hope to have some Pics of the track and carrier soon.


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Posted By: BEAR
Date Posted: 30 April 2021 at 06:56
Happy Birthday to Daughter.

Looking good.  NEW Motor, sound reliable for you to be 3+ miles from the truck.  good idea.


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Posted By: d4570
Date Posted: 30 April 2021 at 13:22

Well I have the "Truck" chassis finished and ready to start fabricating up the deck and moto area.
I think I made it so I can remove the track in one piece.




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Posted By: BEAR
Date Posted: 30 April 2021 at 17:19
Looks like a monster machine to me.

Instead of a sled dog........how about SLED OX?


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Posted By: d4570
Date Posted: 30 April 2021 at 18:10
it is a bit smaller then the Johnson...
Here is another thing I'm thinking about.
How and what am I going to register this thing.
If it is a snowmobile I need trail pass and cant run it after the season.
If it's a trailbike/4wheeler/Rocon I need a trail pass and can't run it on snowmobile trails. Can it be street legal  to run on county roads.


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Posted By: BEAR
Date Posted: 30 April 2021 at 18:54
Can you get two regisreations....snowmobile and trail bike????

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Posted By: d4570
Date Posted: 30 April 2021 at 20:42
????????????/

Don't know yet.


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