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    Posted: 05 June 2020 at 11:44
Here in the east we walk long distances into the forest/woods for deer.  I usually hunt from a small camo screen.  But I like many get into the woods about 1.5 hrs before first light; letting the woods 'calm down' from the walk-in disturbance.

Last week a friend called and asked if I used a flash light and did I think that it scared turkeys.  I try to not use a light especially for turkeys, but we don't always have a clear ski and a moon.  So I use a flasklight with penlight batteries that are low to dead...kind of a glow.

Do you think that walk in lights scare game?
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I think lights would spook them more than the sound of walking in. I get to my deer stand just before shooting light, 10-15min. I ain't patient enough to sit an extra hour+ waiting for daylight!!
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That hour before sunrise is golden in sound if not light.

I often see guys walking in with the new high tech high intensity light, shining all round, tree tops and deep ahead of their trail.  I think it chases deer deep back away...and they might not come back all day.
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Early Deer and antelope season is COLD in the dark then gets to 80/90* sometimes. We walk out in the dark and sit for what ever time.
Normally at lease an half hour.
I don't think a turkey would know what a light is. We spotlight coyotes and it never seams to bother them unless they have been shot at with a light on them.
Do birds see red, or green? Maybe you could use your predator spot light and keep it on the ground just in front of you.
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I'd think a RED light would not spook deer. Would make one walk in slow as not really bright which is ok too as might be quiter walking.
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Yeah, Red lights work around here
Don't shine it all around - Just where your stepping.
But can't take chance if weather is warm - SNAKES!
 
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Don't know where you are Ray.  But I hunt NC, SC, Florida and hate snakes.  So I got snake proof shoes and chaps; and I never put a hand near rthe ground.
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Till you trip and fall and roll around and get a snake down your collar.
I don't have snake boots or gaiters, to hot when there out.
Lucky so far I guess.

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We have 3 poisionous snakes here:   timber rattlesnake,  massasauga rattlesnake, and copperhead.  The Massasauga is the deadlest rattle any where, often called a swamp rattler it has the largest holes in their fangs; so more toxin in a quick bite.

In Africa I had a large python (18') coil and strike at me, mouth open.  He actually was fast on the strike out and all 200# of him landed about 12 foot out and 6 foot short of me.  In 2 seconds I was 20 foot away from his head.  LOTS of  Big curved teeth, wall to wall teeth.  they hit you like vercro  hooks, then throw a coil.
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OK Guys, since the subject of venomous snakes was brought up, I have to chime in. As I mentioned in another thread, I have some weird interest, venomous snakes is one of them. I read, watch, study all I can about venomous snakes, vipers, elapids and colubrids. I can't get enough. There is a difference in the most dangerous and most venomous. The most dangerous to a human must come in contact with people and the right disposition to want to bite. The most venomous is the toxicity of the venom, not necessarily willing to use it on a human, LD50 is the "measuring stick" when ranking the potency of snake venom. LD50 is the median lethal dose to kill 50% of the tested population of test subjects. In snakes the subjects are mice. In the US the most venomous snake is the Eastern Coral Snake (micrurus fulvius) an elapid, which is the same family as cobras, mambas and all the nasty snakes in Australia, or the Mojave Rattlesnake (crotalus scutulatus) a viper. However the coral snake is a very shy, very reluctant to bite animal and there are very very few bites in the US involving them. The Mojave is more active, yet tend to live further from people than other species of vipers. The most dangerous snake in the US is subject for debate. Probably the most bites come from either the Cottonmouth (akistrodon piscivorous) Copperhead (akistrodon contortrix) or possibly the Western Diamondback Rattlesnake (crotalus atrox) All 3 encounter people regularly and although not terribly lethal venom, can absolutely ruin your day, week, month with death not out of the question. A bite from a mojave is an absolute medical emergency as is any bite from a true rattlesnake and the other North American vipers. The massasauga (sistrusus catenatus) Bear mentioned is not a "true rattlesnake" they belong to the same genus as the Pygmy rattlesnake (s. miliarius) They are not any more or less dangerous than the akistrodon (copperheads, cottonmouth) and probably less dangerous than the crotalus species. The Timber rattler (c. horridus) and Prairie rattler (c. viridis) are serious customers as well...dang, sorry guys...I would carry a light in snake country!!
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I carry a flashlight only for getting an animal packed out after dark. I have done that many times. 

It's a different kind of hunting here. 

By the way, I hate snakes and avoid them at all cost. 

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Yep the Massasauga is a pygmy rattler.  all the ones I've caught hace been under 18" and mature.  locally lots of folks call them swamp rattlers as they like wet grassy areas.  Never understood that as most snakes like small mamals like mice/rats/chipmunks/moles that avoid wetlands.
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Thanks for the snake education Maplehill. 
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nothing to do with Flashlights.  But if you are assing thru PA on I-80  Jennings is a good place to see them.  they are critically endangered.

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Originally posted by Irish Bird Dog Irish Bird Dog wrote:

Thanks for the snake education Maplehill. 

LOL you're welcome IBD...I think, maybe there is some sarcasm there...I am a bit of a geek when it comes to some subjects, I can't help it. If you are truly interested check out the Kentucky Reptile Zoo on YouTube or Facebook if you have it. They extract venom from hundreds of the deadliest snakes on the planet. Really cool videos and very informative. I am not sure what interest me in them so much. I guess the fact that they have this incredible concoction all naturally occurring, it is used in hundreds of drugs helping people live. I believe the cures to many human diseases could be treated with help from this all natural potion...but alas how would Big Pharm make money on it??? 
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We have to wear the orange here even during tookey walking in and out. I have an orange F&S hat with two little LED's on the rim, just enough to see whats under foot. Works fine and noise scares them more then the light IMO. That little bit of light has saved me a couple times....from quills! Almost stepped on a few stepping into the scrub grass at field edges during evening archery years ago and once just 2 years ago on a trail. I'll risk a little light over plight.
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Originally posted by RaySendero RaySendero wrote:

Yeah, Red lights work around here
Don't shine it all around - Just where your stepping.
But can't take chance if weather is warm - SNAKES!
 
 
 
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I have a red lense flashlight,
but use a red cap light most every time.
That cap light is handy.
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Got a few cap lights.  But the ones above the cap bill don't shine near enough to my feet.  I like the ones that clip under my brim...lets me see footing.
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those brim mounted cap light work pretty well for walking for the size of them. I have some lights that strap onto the cap or your head and they have multiple settings for brightness and a RED light too.
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