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Posted: 27 July 2010 at 12:48 | IP Logged Quote d4570

I had to take the old girl out and see for my self that it still shot where I aimed it. It did. I haven't used it for two year and thought I should make sure the shells did not go bad. I ran out to were I shot a lot, the wind was around 12-15 mph heavy clouds and some drizzle. This is not a range so I had to pack my bench and some targets out in to the weeds. Stepped off  100 yards and checked it with the range finder and was wrong as normal. I walked out a bit farther to the real 100 yard mark and put up a target,it took some doing to get it to stay up and kind of steady but it would work. Then out to 200 yards, I never get this one wright so I used the "finder" did some more Mcgivering and I had a target up there too. Then out some more, with the rain the finder would not lock on to my bench so I had to shoot it at the other targets,I took two readings to get it right at 300 yards.Crap thats a long way to walk. Got the target to stand and made it straight to my bench and walked back. lugged out a 100 shells shooting bag bino's,tape and my little camera. I thought I'd try it off my shooting sticks for the easy one ( 100 yard) Bam.bam,bam, that looked good back from were I was so I went to look . OK> that will do, about an inch to the left and about an inch high and a two in one shot.

100 yards is a peace of cake so I tried 200 but off the bench . I did put it up to 8X the old eyes just don't do like they used to.I have a 200 yard mark and a 300 yard mark in the scope but it is for "evolution" shells and mine run hotter but it is close with the 200 hash. I mover over 6" for wind and shot it. Not to bad about 3" high on the 200 mark.

Now 300 yards,man thats still a LONG way out there,my targets are just computer paper size. I tried three shots with the 300 mark and it looked like it was over the target but there is such a recoil it's tuff to tell. Out I go , Bid I say that 300 yards is a LONG WAY out there. All the way out and a good look,nothing not a hole in the target or backer,humm. Just as I thought to high. BACK to the bench. I pushed in three more and thought I'd use the 200 mark and aim 6" high ( top of the target and over to the edge of the paper for wind. NOW that looked better. I dumped them all out and want for a walk. Yup that did it about 3" low and a spread of like 6" that is still dead Elk.

I had the scope all the way up to 9x. To bad I cant pack the bench out with me hunting but that would be a bit more that I want to carry.
 I did wing some shots at a clay bank out past 500 yards and it looked like I might hit an elk if I could range in on him with a few shot first.



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Posted: 27 July 2010 at 13:41 | IP Logged Quote BEAR

good work D.

Have you thought of more xs on the scope power?



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Posted: 27 July 2010 at 19:10 | IP Logged Quote Kingpin

D, fill me in. I just got an original Springfield Cavalry carbine. It's sound in everyway. I am told that it's a 45-55. I can't find any info about it. I want to know if the caliber is correct and if it used the .45-70 case full length. I have scoured sites and can't find anything. Any old buffaler hunters here who can shed some light?...................................Kingpin

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Posted: 27 July 2010 at 19:26 | IP Logged Quote d4570

I'm no expert and know almost nothing about any thing but... I did see some place I think that there was several different 45 calibers for the Cavalry. 45/55-45/65-45/70-45/90 45/100-45/120. The 45/70 was to big to shoot from a horse,they would fall off. So they made the 60 and 55.the bigger ones where infantry. I think the modern 45/70 is actually a 60. There was others to something like a 50/90 boy that thing must have been brutal.I know thats no help but that is all I have ever seen.

http://www.chuckhawks.com/buffalo_cartridges.htm



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Posted: 27 July 2010 at 20:17 | IP Logged Quote Kingpin

 Chuckles article was informative but omitted the lesser .45's in that class. I wonder if the .45-70 case is used full length when loading the .45-55 and 60. Somewhere I recall reading that if you put a 500 grain load in the 55 and 60, it was too long, leading me to believe that the same case was used. Anyone know for sure?.............Kingpin



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Posted: 27 July 2010 at 21:07 | IP Logged Quote 788Fan

This is from the Sierra Manual (5th edition)
"The 45-70 Government was one of the last big-bore black powder cartridges adopted for military service.  Originally designated the .45-70-500, this straight-wall .45 caliber cartridge was loaded with 70 grains of black powder and a 500 grain lead bullet.  Designed for the full size infantry model of the Springfield Model 1873 Trap-door rifle, this load developed too much recoil when fired in the relatively light carbine issued to mounted troops.  In response to complaints about this, Frankford Arsenal began loading the same case with a reduced charge of 55 grains of black powder and a 405 grain lead bullet. Known as the .45-55-405, this load was completely interchangeable with the .45-70 and could be used in either the rifle or the carbine."

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Posted: 28 July 2010 at 06:25 | IP Logged Quote Kingpin

There it is. I was sure I read the same thing but couldn't for the life of me remember where I saw it. Thanks 788 and to everyone else. I intends to get ready for the injun uprising  and maybe get me a casino.......LOL..................Kingpin

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I'll use the rags for practice, but I DO want that casino.............................Kingpin

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