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GSSP
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Posted: 18 April 2006 at 17:17 |
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I'd always gone with what ever the manual suggested. A few years back, I tried seating out farther; basically a caliber in depth, seated into the neck. Now, I've gone as far as seating my Nosler 180 BT's, in my 30-06 so they touch the lands or just in 5 to 10 thou. Basically, half the neck has bullet bearing surface in it. Accuracy is incredible and It has freed up enough volume, I can about consistetly add upto 3 gr extra propellant. Keep on Patterning Big Al Edited by GSSP |
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Posted: 18 April 2006 at 17:22 |
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Thanks Al. Nice to see you post. Where you from? BEAR |
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TasunkaWitko
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Posted: 18 April 2006 at 17:23 |
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welcome to BSB, GSSP, and thanks for your service! lee's "modern reloading" suggests that a consistent crimp will work the same as seating the bullets close to or on the lands. any thought on this? |
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TasunkaWitko - Chinook, Montana
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Posted: 18 April 2006 at 17:25 |
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Al might add your self to the BSB map. Also lets you see where we are all from. BEAR |
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GSSP
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Posted: 19 April 2006 at 02:12 |
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Bear, I'm from So California, but I left there almost 30 years ago when I joined the Army. Live in Utah now.
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Posted: 19 April 2006 at 02:17 |
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TasunkaWitko, I'm one of the few people that feel that crimping bullets can be a useful thing for accuracy and extreme spread to a minimum. I've tried it in both 30-06 and 223. My EOTWAWKI (end of the world as we know it) load uses the Hornady 75 BTHP match bullet in my AR15 and I ran a apples to apples test comparing crimped vs non-crimped and crimped won. I use the Lee factory crimp die. Have used it successfully for 30-06 too. I've not heard of nor can see how crimping can be compared to seating to the lands. Have to ponder that one. Big Al |
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Posted: 19 April 2006 at 05:54 |
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lee's argument is that crimping and the seating to the lands both achieve the
same goal, which is to provide a uniform start pressure before the bullet leaves the case. i am inexperienced in this, but looking at it from the outside, it makes sense to me. |
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Posted: 06 December 2006 at 17:00 |
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The Lee die works for me. I think it improves accuracy when used in combination with proper OAL for a particular rifle. Also, hunting rounds without a crimp are more suseptable to elements and impact damage. Of course, I never really got into paper shooting more than working up loads, practicing and sighting-in my rifle. Serious bench rest guys are much more anal about their loads.
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Posted: 07 December 2006 at 11:45 |
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I use a stoney point guage and seat the bullets ten to twenty thousandths off of the lands, whatever that perticular rifle prefers. With my weatherby cartridges, i just seat the bullets to factory weatherby ammunition depths, because i use the same Hornady bullets that they do....works for me.
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Posted: 15 December 2007 at 07:42 |
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here are some thoughts from some folks. i don't remember the names, i saved it from the old shooters.com board:
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Posted: 19 December 2007 at 18:31 |
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On my hunting rifles, I seat bullets just deep enough to give me about .005" clearance in the magazine, then mark the bullets with a Magic Marker and run them into the chamber to see if the rifling marks any of the bullets. If not, that's my maximum overall cartridge length. If I see rifling on the ogive, I seat them a little deeper until no rifling appears on the ogive. I work up loads at that seating depth until I find my pet load, then back off .010" at a time to find the sweet spot.
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Posted: 09 March 2009 at 10:38 |
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here's another note on determining seating depth another forum: [/quote]You can do so by taking a fired case and slightly denting the case mouth so that it will hold a bullet but with some friction. Push the bullet into the case with your fingers and chamber the round and let the rifling push the bullet into the case as you close the bolt. That will be close to where the bullet hits the lands. Do this several times and check your measurements to make sure you are getting a consistant reading. After you get a reading deduct about .008" as your bullet is sort of engraving just a bit into the rifling by using this method.[/quote] |
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