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    Posted: 02 August 2003 at 13:40

Hey if your at a wilderness camp do you just hang the quarters up in trees?  What about bears?  Heat, .....

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 August 2003 at 14:59
no bears in s.d. so never had to deal w/ that issue. in fact, never been far enough from someplace that heat's been an issue, either. shot a deer a couple of years ago in near 80 degree temps, but we had him on ice in under an hour from the time the bullet left the muzzle and i lost no meat. in hot weather, we keep a pair of big colemans full of ice bags. ice is cheap, a ruined deer sucks.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 August 2003 at 15:47

Here's things I've done or seen done when you are 10 or 20 miles in.

Deer was shot at first light. Grass had heavy frost. Deer was gutted and skinned as fas as possible and then quartered off of the carcass (quarters and all other meat removed from spine and ribs, major bones left in quarters). All meat was rolled around on the frozen grass to cool it. It was then packed in coolers until the camp was shaded. Meat was removed from coolers and laid on doubled up poly tarps that had about an inch or so of creek water running under them. After it was all the way cool it  (next morning) it went in the coolers to stay for the next 4 days until the pack out.

Elk shot during rifle season. Gutted right after dark, hide left on and animal whole all night. It was right at freezing that night. Elk was quartered hide on and left that way in the shade for 3 days. Hide kept meat clean since no game bags were in camp.

Elk killed in morning with bow. Elk was skinned and quartered off of carcass by noon. Meat packed to camp, lightly cleaned up, rebagged, put quarters in rubbermaid garbage cans (world's cheapest packing tubs at $11 each) and put tubs in creek overnight. Packed elk out to cooler the next morning before the sun got on the trail.

Elk killed in evening during archery hunt. Skinned and quartered off carcass by dark, meat hung in tree overnight. It was cold that night and the game bags froze to the quarters, the meat was firm to the touch by morning. Packed it out to the cooler before the sun got on the trail.

Both elk rode on horses for 4 1/2 hours (my ponies walk out) and in the truck for an hour and still got to the locker cool to the touch in 80 degree weather.

We don't have much for bear around where I hunt. If we did you'd have to find a lot taller trees and get the meat at least 14 feet from the ground and at least 6 feet from the tree trunk.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 August 2003 at 09:35

All those things have to be considered. Last year I had to put up with bald eagles stripping the meat. I have had bear get on elk when I left it over night at the kill sight. I don't like to pack fresh meat because it is to jellylike and bloody. Prefer to let it hang one night.

Here's a question. Would you slaughter a beef and let the hide on for a day or so? The why would  you leave it on an elk? If you are prepared to butcher something, you won't have any problems keeping the meat clean. I think outfitters started that so thier pack bags wouldn't get bloody. Any game makes better meat if you get that hide off as soon as possible and get the meat cooled down soonest.

If it's warm we let it cool as much a spossible in one night and then pack it before the sun gets up or at night if required. Ain't nothing like busting your butt to get the meat out and then find out it's rancid.

We usaully don' pack in for muzzle loader season,  so that we are close to the truck and can get the meat to a locker. I value my elk meat and it's the meat I eat for the next coming year.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 August 2003 at 17:10
FWIW, it's not imperative to remove the hide from Moose, deer or Elk if temperatures are low enough to allow proper cooling. The meat will NOT be negatively affected in any way under such conditions. However, if it is too warm, especially if the nights are staying warm, then the hide must be removed to allow proper cooling. If you can hang the quarters in a spot where they will cool overnight and then stay in the shade during the day, even if daytime temperatures get up a bit, the meat will be fine. Cooling is very important. I have shot several head of game when the opposite situation prevailed....how to keep the meat from freezing too soon. I took a moose once when outside temperatures were -43ºF. I was thankful to be able to put my hands inside that warm cavity! Regards, Eagleye.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 August 2003 at 11:01

lEagle eye. Not flaming ot starting anything, but when bull elk are breeding, they lay down and roll in thier piss and crap, squirt it up along thier belly to the forelegs. Any of this stuff on the meat is a bad proposition. Most of the e coli in beef comes from the crap on thier hides,adn not keeping things clean.

Elk manes are so thick that the meat can stay warm when it's below freezing justa littel bit. Probably not down in the single digits though. Put some snow on it and it acts like an insulator. The first thing to start spoliage is the esophogus. So you have an incubator for that.

But to each his own. We all have our own ways of caring for meat. This is mine.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 August 2003 at 13:08
I don't leave the hide on. That was an outfitter I worked for. I like it to be clean and cooled rapidly too. I've never been anywhere it was cold enough to even think about the meat freezing too fast and I imagine things are different then....like most bacteria are dead from frost bite.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 August 2003 at 15:41
Not much wilderness in my part of the country. When the day starts at
25 F and goes up to 80 F by afternoon, lots of ice is mandatory.
Peel the hide, quarter, and get it into the icebox if you want to eat
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 August 2003 at 15:42

I too have had but luck leaving the hide on unless it's darn cool.  Even then I gut and hang it but I know it will freeze anyway.  I found a good trick is buying heavy duty suran (SP?) wrap quartering out and wrapping air tight, then covering it in ice.  If the air and water gets at it, things go bad fast.  I quarter up, wrap it ice it, and bag whatever straps I take off the rib cage. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 August 2003 at 16:56

Spotshooter; No Flame taken! I prefer to do my Elk hunting quite late, so the rut usually does not factor in...I well know how those bulls act during the rut!!  You'll note I said cooling is important. If there is ANY doubt about it, the Hide must come off! I have shot Bison up here in late December. The mane of a big Bison is so thick that there is no way you could safely leave it on without risk of spoilage. Most of the moose I have shot [read many moose] have been taken when the frost doesn't leave the ground surface till close to noon, and then is back by 6 P.M. But I have shot a few early, and then the hide comes off. If you can leave it on, you will lose less to shrinkage and drying of the surface, plus it serves to keep that side of the quarter very clean. Several professional butchers have told me that leaving the hide on is best "Only if cooling is not a problem." I do not personally care for plastic wrappings, but it's OK if you prefer to use it. I have never lost a pound of game to spoilage myself, and any who eat game meat in our house always rave about how good it is compared to some other they have tried. As was said, if what you are doing works for you, carry on! Regards, Eagleye.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 August 2003 at 07:12

Here's my philosophy. Up until I kill an elk it's hunting and fun. Once there is meat on the ground, I treat it as I would any butchering task, Keep it clean, cool and do what ever necessary to get it back home in the best condition possible. Even if that means leaving the camp set up and getting the meat back home if it's cool, or paying locker plant to hang it until I do leave for home

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 August 2003 at 04:23

Ditto on the goozle pipe of elk.  Lots of hamburger meat on the neck that will go bad quick 'thout yanking his blow tube.

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